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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 at 02:09:50 AM EST
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I know that, and I think all of the nuclear experts here have shown incontrovertibly that the nuclear industry in the UK is FUBAR.

That doesn't mean others can't do it right.

by Nomad on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 at 06:48:10 AM EST
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The incentives in the industry are the same in every country and tend towards generating short-term profits and shifting costs to the tax payer. See this story in Belgium and this one in the US.

I wouldn't trust industry estimates on clean up costs remotely, anywhere.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 at 07:30:36 AM EST
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I thought we were talking about waste of fusion, not about fission.
by Nomad on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 at 09:20:45 AM EST
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I had the impression that your comment related to the way different countries dealt with their nuclear energy (as per the UK example).

There is no functioning fusion plant and there won't be for at least another 40 years. Whether waste is an issue for fusion, I don't know. There's going to be some waste, but I thought it was supposed to be less than for fission. We'll see.

I do see that we're already getting huge cost overruns on the ITER project, which is logical. The parties can probably only get the funding through by gradually raising the estimated costs. I predict that it will end up costing five to six times more than the 16 billion dollars currently estimated.

In the mean while, there's an old story from the Guardian which already brought this news. It also has some of teh funny:

The flagship project, which absorbs almost half of Britain's energy research budget, will test complex machinery needed to make the world's first operational fusion power plants - a technology widely expected to transform energy generation by providing abundant power with no greenhouse gas emissions and only small amounts of radioactive waste.

The Iter fusion reactor was originally costed at €10bn (£9bn), but the rising price of raw materials and changes to the initial design are likely to see that bill soar, officials confirmed today.

The warning came as scientists gathered in Finland to unveil the first component of the reactor, which will effectively act as its exhaust pipe. The reactor is expected to take nearly 10 years to build and is scheduled to be switched on in 2018.

It began as a US-Russian project in the 1980s, but has since grown to include the EU, China, India, Japan and South Korea.

Britain currently pays around £20m into Iter each year.

Pathetic!
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 at 09:51:18 AM EST
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Oh, I'm aware some countries are beginning to understnad the issue of disposal of waste. However, my specific point about fusion is the amount of material rendered highly radioactive will be substantial. These will include structural members that will requires replacing on a regular basis, yet within a controlled environment. Nobody has ever factored these requirements into the technology and engineering costs of fusion.

Even if the production costs allow energy too cheap to meter, the maintenance costs may yet still be prohibitive.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jun 18th, 2009 at 08:29:06 AM EST
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