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yuck, most of american architecture could use bulldozing, as a sort of mercy killing.

some of the older stuff has some class, but how often is anything allowed to get old? most buildings looked like they were made to fall over after 50 years, and a good thing too, aesthetically speaking.

it's product-ism gone totally bananas, make money ripping it down, more putting it up, rinse, repeat.

perhaps this will change after they finish clearcutting every tree in the place.

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sun Jun 14th, 2009 at 09:32:15 PM EST
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Maybe, but not unique to the USA. Our older inner neighborhoods with cityscapes similar to Paris--unquestionably surrounded by square miles of suburban blight. But then don't you suppose that Europe also has such places???
by asdf on Mon Jun 15th, 2009 at 12:14:52 AM EST
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there's plenty of structures here to euthanise, i should have added, for fairness!

~Government budget deficits are not nearly as dangerous as the deficits we have created in vital and complex natural systems.~ Naomi Klein.
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jun 15th, 2009 at 02:05:39 AM EST
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Reality check.

America is a relatively young country.  I mean, it's hardly our fault the Mississippi is not lined with castles or that cute narrow medieval streets aren't found  leading to our city centers.  It's not that things are not allowed to get old.  They've just only been built recently!

Also, I've just been reading this amazing book about Muslim girls in the Paris suburbs.  I'm sorry, but these areas look no better than the "projects" in America.  

That said, I am struck on a daily basis by how modern much of Europe looks compared to America.  There is a modern architecture and design aesthetic in Europe that is hardly so ubiquitous America.  Living in Chicago, even surrounded by sky-scrapers, it sometimes seems like a land time forgot.  Living in America c.2009 feels a little like living in Russia c.1999 in that respect.  

I don't know.  The suburbs are ugly and generally soul-destroying.  But I'm not sure "most of American architecture" falls into that category.  Or that there is even some homogeneous thing that is "American architecture."  Architecture in Santa Fe, New Orleans, Chicago, Boston, Charleston, Miami, Santa Barbara, St. Louis, rural Vermont... it's really diverse actually.  It's their crap between the cities and small towns that needs bulldozing, I think.  Though I could easily say the same thing about Russia.  The city centers are great, the countryside is great, the impersonal, dilapidated housing that large swaths of the population reside in makes you wanna gouge your eyes out.  The same is probably true of most places where there is a large, relatively new population in need of cheap housing.   And let's pause for a moment to consider how much of the sturdy, built-to-last, stunningly beautiful, very old, very impressive architecture not just in Europe, but throughout the world, was built on the backs of slaves, peasants, funded by colonialism, wars, etc.

Just sayin'.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Jun 15th, 2009 at 11:38:59 AM EST
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these areas look no better than the "projects" in America

They are no better. They have a lot in common.

this amazing book about Muslim girls in the Paris suburbs

Is the book about specifically religious girls of the Muslim faith, or is "Muslim" used as a general term?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 15th, 2009 at 12:22:57 PM EST
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Well, that was the main topic - what does it mean to be Muslim?  It was a series of interviews and photographs of these young women.  I think they are all either children of immigrants or are immigrants themselves, from Muslim countries, with Muslim parents.  Do they consider themselves Muslim?  Some are practicing, some are not but still identify that way, some want to be assimilated western modern women, some want to maintain the culture of their parents.  Many said they are Muslim but not "good" or "proper" Muslims.  Some considered being Muslim a set of cultural expectations they had to navigate, not simply a matter of religious belief.  They had a wide range of opinions regarding relationships with boys, school, work, living in France, etc.  It was very fascinating.  

Here's a link to the book.  Here's the photographer's website.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Jun 15th, 2009 at 12:50:31 PM EST
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It sounds very interesting. While trying not to be knee-jerk about it, I'm suspicious of talk of "Muslim" youth etc, when in fact the situations and individual attitudes are varied and complex. Just a quote I picked up from the book ref you gave:

episode | I Am

the worldwide negative trend posed by media coverage of Muslims is too often designated as an environment of social marginalization

(not sure about "designated" there) but one could add "of fear".

The photos are good. And ethnically varied.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 15th, 2009 at 02:42:28 PM EST
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Well, it's how the young women interviewed self-identify.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Mon Jun 15th, 2009 at 04:06:33 PM EST
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You are, of course, right.  I was just giving voice to my love/hate relationship with my native land.  I just wish that examples of pleasing architecture and urban design that have evolved over the centuries could be emulated in new construction more often.
by FoolsErrand on Tue Jun 16th, 2009 at 10:22:30 AM EST
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