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Well, you're right that this needs to be discussed at a higher level, because what's being argued about isn't what people think. Our frames  (for want of a better word late at night) need examining, and we need to remember that the political actors involved are not generally speaking honestly.

as men, is it our own inability to come to grips with our inner feminine side that makes us historically seek to control women?

<sigh> It's very often women that do the controlling of women, not men. We're all in the system and influenced by it more than we believe.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 05:34:20 PM EST
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It's very often women that do the controlling of women, not men.

that's certainly true, and doesn't negate what i said.

often women are as addicted to the status quo as men are, even if it is to their disadvantage. a bit of stockholm syndrome, methinks.

people often prefer a negative known, rather than an unknown. change is scary...

still it's hard to think of any matriarchal societies in recent history who laid major trips on men.

but do women collude_with men to their own undoing?

yes.

do women _enable men to continue with ignorant, sexist behaviour?

yes.

the more we men change, the better off women'll be, and less likely to want to betray their own interests to 'get along'.

our advantage in sheer muscular strength and impulsivity dictates that to get along, we need to become more sensitive, perhaps we will also learn to live longer lives, as women do.  

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 06:53:49 PM EST
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