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Berlusconi scandal: commentators dare to mention the other B word - Times Online

One word was on the minds of Italians yesterday: blackmail.

Could the claims emerging daily against Silvio Berlusconi leave him open to the kind of persuasion that makes holding political office impossible? Would he be tempted to cut a deal to suppress them? Even his friends on the Right are starting to wonder.

"The spectre of blackmail hangs over Berlusconi," said La Stampa. Giampiero Mughini, a right-wing commentator, said: "A Prime Minister who is so blackmailable is a problem for the country."

Berlusconi loyalists, including Ignazio La Russa, the Defence Minister, are still publicly blaming the allegations on a labyrinthine plot to undermine him but there are also hints of a move against him by his own side.

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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 01:27:12 PM EST
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Silvio Berlusconi defiant as escort scandal grows | World news | The Guardian
Italy's PM vows to 'hang tough' as a third woman confirms details about the night he allegedly had sex with an escort

Silvio Berlusconi today promised he would "hang tough" in the face of a growing scandal over the alleged procurement of women for his social events, as a third woman stepped forward to confirm details of the night last November on which he allegedly had sex with a paid escort.

Italy's prime minister has vowed not to allow the furore over his supposed antics with young women deflect him from running the government. But today another woman from the southern city of Bari, Lucia Rossini, confirmed salacious details about a dinner held at Berlusconi's Rome residence on 4 November.

Rossini said Patrizia D'Addario, an alleged escort, remained behind when guests left that evening. Her account backs that given by a fellow guest, model Barbara Montereale, who said that D'Addario claimed the next day that she had had sexual relations with Berlusconi.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 01:33:39 PM EST
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this is appropriate in so many ways

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 02:38:46 PM EST
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In Italian it is evident he is referring to his sexual prowess. Berlusconismo embraces celodurismo, the guiding principal of the Lega Nord.

Celodurismo, literally "hard bird-ism" or hard-dickism originated with a speech by Umberto Bossi. He incited his followers with the climatic call that the leghisti have always got it hard.

Pride in one's priapism as a political position is not new. Mussolini: vainglorious strutting like an overblown peacock with bulging eyes, nasal rants and well-bosomed squealing claque- so well described by Gadda.

Bossi and Berlusconi are such rivals in hard-dickism that they vowed eternal love to the point both once declared they spend Mondays alone together, no doubt testing who softens first. Berlusconi remarked that he saw more of Umberto than his wife, a fairly empty statement we now know. They may have flacked off after Bossi's ichtus took its toll, sparring alas his tongue. But none the less Berlusconi's mommy's maiden name was Bossi.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 04:01:52 PM EST
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de Gondi:
sparring alas his tongue. But none the less Berlusconi's mommy's maiden name was Bossi.

that might be 'sparing' or possibly 'spearing' his tongue... sparring i think may be a typo.

are you serious that b's mother was a member of the bossi family?
 i remember that bossi rant about going into attack mode with 'cazzi eretti' the early 90's if i remember, and was gobsmacked at the time.

bossi doesn't seem like the 'latin lover' type, lol.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 05:52:10 PM EST
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It's a typo. To spare his tongue.

Berlusconi liked to say that his reconciliation with Bossi was through his mother whose maiden name was incidently Bossi. In the mid-Nineties, Bossi and Berlusconi went through a few years of vicious antagonism and Rosa Bossi allegedly brought back their alliance "because they had the same surname."

The relation between Silvio and his mother was reciprocal worship to the point they likened themselves to the Virgin Mary and her infant. Rosa was bodily translated into their version of heaven.  

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 at 01:12:21 AM EST
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Blackmail? That guy? Ha! It's obvious the man has absolutely no shame, he could have been renting a luxury apartment in Rome to bin Ladin for the past eight years without feeling even a smidgeon of remorse...

"The basis of optimism is sheer terror" - Oscar Wilde
by NordicStorm (michael<-at->sturmbaum.net) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 04:33:14 PM EST
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Is the party over for Silvio Berlusconi? - Telegraph

For years, millions of hot-blooded Italian men have secretly wished they could gatecrash one of the parties hosted by their ebullient prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, featuring scantily-clad starlets and models, and endless bottles of expensive wine.

But now the bacchanalian gatherings are coming back to haunt Mr Berlusconi. The billionaire businessman, 72, is trying desperately to fend off allegations that an acquaintance paid call girls, wannabe actresses and models to attend the parties. Uncharacteristically, the scandal seems to be getting to him. He is tired, flustered - and worried, because it is threatening to overshadow his hosting of the G8 summit in L'Aquila next month. A national joke is turning into an international humiliation.

Attention is focused on a party that the prime minister held at his Rome palazzo on the evening of November 4 last year - the night of the US presidential election. A couple of days ago, one of the young women who attended the event, former Miss Italy contestant Barbara Montereale, 23, dropped a bombshell by claiming that Mr Berlusconi went to bed with another of the women in attendance, Patrizia D'Addario, 42, who was allegedly promised 2,000 euros (£1,700), and who herself claimed that when she saw the gathered women, she thought: "But this is a harem."

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 01:37:11 PM EST
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A national joke is turning into an international humiliation.
Spot on.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 05:20:59 PM EST
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Fran:
November 4 last year - the night of the US presidential election.

heh, he couldn't stand barack getting more attention than him!

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 05:54:57 PM EST
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Silvio Berlusconi: the parties, the trinkets, the cash - Times Online

He has made no secret of his love of women but the sex scandal surrounding Silvio Berlusconi is now threatening to topple him, as more claims emerge of the systematic recruitment of young women paid to attend private parties at his homes in Rome and Sardinia.

With weeks to go before he hosts the G8 summit the Italian Prime Minister, 72, is facing new allegations, including claims by a Bari escort girl who says that she has recorded footage of herself in the billionaire's bedroom. Now another woman has come forward, this time claiming that she was paid to attend the Prime Minister's private parties after going through a hostess service, allegedly operated by a local businessman.

In an interview with The Times Barbara Montereale said that Mr Berlusconi gave her €10,000 (£8,500) "as a present" after attending one of his parties at Villa Certosa. She also claims to have received an attendance fee of €1,000, paid by his alleged fixer, Giampaolo Tarantini.

Miss Montereale, 23, also claimed that Patrizia D'Addario, the escort girl at the centre of the scandal, told her she had had sex with Mr Berlusconi.

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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 01:37:54 PM EST
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And the best one - bold by me:

Supporters predict Silvio Berlusconi will survive run-off elections - Times Online

Many European leaders "wonder how Berlusconi can still be Prime Minister, even if they do not say so to his face", according to Graham Watson, Liberal Democrat leader in the European Paliament. Part of the answer is that most Italians get their news from television -- and both Mr Berlusconi's channels and RAI, the public network, which he controls, have buried the scandals.

Il Giornale, his own newspaper, has been deployed to discredit any witness against him, portraying the Prime Minister as the victim of a plot involving not only the Left but the international press, Italy's own secret services and "traitors in his entourage". function slideshowPopUp(url) { pictureGalleryPopupPic(url); return false; } Related Links

For Vittorio Sgarbi, a former centre-Right deputy Culture Minister, it is even simpler: men of power need a lot of sex. "If Berlusconi does not gain sexual satisfaction he governs badly."

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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 01:39:22 PM EST
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there would seem to be quite a bit of truth to that. I can name quite a few French politicians that have open reputations as sex animals - although they tend to be slightly more discreet about it than Burlesquoni.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 02:48:56 PM EST
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Would it be your contention that (thanks to sufficient sexual hyperactivity) these French politicians governed well?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 03:44:22 PM EST
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Jerome a Paris:
there would seem to be quite a bit of truth to that

cuz berlusconi's doing such an ace job?

it's just 'droit de seigneur' with aspiring starlets instead of ruddy farm girls.
without his lock on the media, he'd be history by now, that's why italy has such a slow rollout of broadband, can't let the information get to the peeps...

heading for hammamet!

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 09:46:44 PM EST
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The truth of it isn't the issue. Replace sex with religion. Should religious belief be condoned as acceptable in politicians if that helps them govern? No!

Sex has nothing to do with ideals of government. It simply isn't relevant, and making it relevant as the statement highlighted by Fran attempts to do is not appropriate, unless one wishes to argue that eg the minister's preferred cupsize or whether he's enjoyed buggery in recent days should be an important factor in deciding the laws that govern the country.

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by martingale on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 10:04:28 PM EST
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It's relevant for security reasons. When the Big Man can't keep it zippered he's easy prey to blackmail and manipulation.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 at 05:33:19 AM EST
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It's only relevant if the blackmail would be effective: if someone had tried to blackmail Haughey with his affairs he'd have laughed at them - everyone in the media knew already. It would have been  relevant in the US or UK because it's a big deal there.

Now, if Haughey had been busing loads of starlets out to his Kinsealy mansion or flying them out to his island, that might have been a different matter. Though it would have been a pretty small bus in those days.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 at 05:37:37 AM EST
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They don't have to plain vanilla affairs. Get your mark drunk or drugged enough, scatter a few teenagers around, and you have yourself some solid leverage, even if it's not something the mark would usually do.

Pillow talk has proven expensive too.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 at 04:19:58 PM EST
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Hence all Big Men needs neutering.

It is a sacrifice but one I am sure our beloved leaders will make to keep the world safe from terrorists.

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by A swedish kind of death on Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 at 07:49:42 AM EST
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men of power need a lot of sex. "If Berlusconi does not gain sexual satisfaction he governs badly."

LOL  This rationale will justify anything!  We have the example of Bill Clinton.  He had a ton of sex and still governed badly.  Obanka might be useless; at least he's not a clown.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 04:00:40 PM EST
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Clinton wasn't actually having sex.  Maybe that explains it?
by paving on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 04:11:44 PM EST
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It depends what you mean by "it".
by Sassafras on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 06:22:16 PM EST
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What was he having, tea and crumpets?

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 at 05:51:35 AM EST
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What is missing in this marvelous run-up is the fact that in Italy most people don't know about it. Berlusconi has appointed all five directors of the five most important TV news programs. The vast mass of ignorant fools that rely on TV for news simply know nothing about it.

It's not being covered by main media. It therefore is not happening. You here know more about it than the average Italian.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 04:07:47 PM EST
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Do most Italians get their information only from the mass media? When I lived in NY, the press was just as reticent about Giuliani's affairs (until close to the end), but we all knew about them. Doesn't word of mouth work in Italy? I'm sure most people are just as ignorant about "real" politics as the media wants them to be, but I suspect a story like this is different (I live in Trentino, which means I don't have a clue about the average Italian...)
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 04:27:54 PM EST
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The number of Italians that rely exclusively on TV for news is esteemed to be 15,000,000. That is a sizeable electorate.

I have pointed out these past days that Berlusconi's scandals are not being covered by strategic news media in Italy. There is today yet another parliamentary interrogation over the steadfast refusal to cover the scandal by the major national network RAI 1. Not only is it being ignored, the Berlusconi appointee, Augusto Minzolini, counterattacked in an unprecedented live interview disparaging the scandal as unworthy of coverage.

Minzolini owes his entire career to being a ruthless cistern shark. The term "minzolinismo" was coined to describe a certain type of journalism: To report idle gossip from within the corridors of power without any pretense of verifying it.

Minzolini built a career on entertaining insinuations and unconditional praise for Optimus Poffarbacco. He is utterly allergic to reality just as is his master.

Nor is he the only one elevated to a position where he can grovel insolently in the floodlights. It's just that he's new and has those sexy blue eyes.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 06:30:05 PM EST
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gk:
Do most Italians get their information only from the mass media?

information, what information?

oh the sports scores, now i get it!

italians hone most of their political opinions chatting in bars and barbershops. their box has a colourful enough lining, that most don't see much need to think out of it.

good food and family are the compensations italians use to forget their government is the most expensive, overstaffed, criminal and expensive in europe, (as well as the laughing stock of the entire planet).

the really weird thing is that the more he's attacked, the more italy wants to mother him, gaah.

he's nonnina's's lovable lil rascal, by jiminee, and his sins are forgiven weakly, ain't he a card?

dr feelgood, with his mojo stick, come to save italy from detumescence, lol.

maybe tripoli could be be the new hammamet, then he could get some of that dictator drag going, as well as the harems.

this g8 meeting could be um, interesting, especially as l'aquila just had another aftershock today, not bad enough to knock any structures down, but 4.6. ain't chickenfeed either, especially with recent memories. it was enough to make all the tenters rush out into the open.

could we be about to see the world leaders running round in pyjamas as their world teeters?

i think his publicity ploy using l'aquila is going to backfire bigtime. or as J. might say, 'it couldn't happen to a nicer, or more deserving fella'

besides the people in the area are pissed his stupid plan to build a new cement monstrosity for them to live in is very late in starting, so pissed they met en masse in rome the other day, in front of palazzo chigi.

are there even any hotels posh enough (and still standing) round there, for our glorious globocrats to stay in, or will they helicopter in from rome?

memo to obama, don't start any conversations about bidets, michelle will probably not appreciate ribald man-talk.

just compliment him on his tan, can't go wrong there...

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 10:13:17 PM EST
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Silvio Berlusconi's parties: Italian prosecutors to question 30 women - Telegraph
Up to 30 young women will be questioned by Italian prosecutors as part of an investigation into the alleged procuring of prostitutes for parties held by the prime minister, Silvio Berlusconi, it has been reported.

The women, including Eastern European models, were recruited to attend at least five parties thrown by Mr Berlusconi at his mansion in central Rome and his villa on Sardinia's exclusive Costa Smeralda, La Repubblica newspaper claimed.

A businessman acquaintance of Mr Berlusconi, Giampaolo Tarantini, 35, is under investigation by prosecutors in the Adriatic port of Bari on suspicion of abetting prostitution by recruiting models and call girls for the prime minister's private parties.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 01:45:42 PM EST
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