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You cannot impose values.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 06:07:47 AM EST
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But you can make values a condition for citizenship. Like you can make ethnicity a condition of citizenship. Or you can decide longstanding residence is the only requirement for citizenship.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 06:12:35 AM EST
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How do you test for values?
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 06:17:39 AM EST
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Colman:
How do you test for values?
Ask the French or Americans what the procedure is for acquiring their citizenship.

Anyway, the obvious way is some sort of questionnaire. Adherence to values can be faked, of course.

You can then fall back on behaviours as evidence of values. This naturally leads to "a burqa disqualifies you for French citizenship".

On "which values?", there was a time when France and the US were Enlightened nations but nowadays even France has a Head of State who believes they're "Christian Nations" so the kinds of "values tests" that are applied to people are becoming less palatable to lefties... But still, Sarkozy will have some success in getting French leftists to support his racist policy because they agree on the "secular republican values" principle. Or at least he'll paralyse them into indecision over whether banning the Burqa is civic or racist.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 06:25:03 AM EST
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You cannot impose values.
Yet that is what the law does every day in many different areas of society. Although it doesn't function by adjusting the values in people's brains, rather the law functions by ex post facto punishment if a person deviates explicitly from what is listed as acceptable in the law books.

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by martingale on Wed Jun 24th, 2009 at 09:54:39 PM EST
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So the law isn't imposing values, it's punishing behaviour.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:13:12 AM EST
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The effect is the same. The values of the Republic/Monarchy/etc are policed, which is the only thing that matters to the state.

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by martingale on Thu Jun 25th, 2009 at 02:34:50 AM EST
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