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Is public nudity a sign of anything?

Generally speaking, not that I know of.  (Though I am sure for some people, public nudity is a "sign" of rebellion or resistance to authority; but that is up to them to decide, not others, much less the state.)

Public nudity is outlawed, I believe, on the principle of protecting the public from sexual (in the sense of erotic) "indecency".  I think it would be hard to argue that burqas are "indecent" (at least, not in the same way as public nudity).

I think a case might be made for outlawing burqas on grounds of public safety (as in physical safety) or public security (i.e. against crime).  But that would be a different debate altogether.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 04:32:00 PM EST
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Burqas are indeed about the objectification of the body of women ; it signifies it exists only for the purpose of sexual excitation of men, which is why it must be hidden. There's indeed a very strong sexual sign in the burqa...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 04:37:21 PM EST
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Come on. I am simply bringing up the most obvious, extreme case of the state outlawing a particular mode of (un)dress, which is common to all "free" countries (and even hysterically so in the case of one country that generally takes itself to be a cut freer than the others, witness a famous football halftime incident).

"Free" countries may also (as you point out) outlaw masks or face coverings on security grounds (facial recognition). I'm not saying I approve of all this, just that your point above about the government making decisions about dress isn't right. Though I don't trust Sarkozy's motives, I don't see anything fundamentally reprehensible about him expressing a view on this subject. If it means he will ram legislation through without debate, without seeking consensus, then I will find that extremely reprehensible.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 04:47:52 PM EST
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I am not against the state outlawing a particular mode of (un)dress in all cases bar none.

But I am against the state doing so based on an interpretation by the state of what the (un)dress in question is a "sign" of.

To me personally, it is of little importance whether it is Sarkozy or anyone else advocating such a policy.

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.

by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 04:56:12 PM EST
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Well, the French Republic has a long history of actively fighting organised religion in all its forms, so this fits right in, and is heavily supported by the population, including its Arab minorities, I may say.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jun 23rd, 2009 at 06:15:28 AM EST
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