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A win for the EPP and the Greens/EFA and a loss for the Socialists and Liberals (ALDE).

In particular, ALDE used to have twice as many seats as the EFA, but now they will be just slightly ahead.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buitler

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 04:46:16 PM EST
We can't say that as yet -- some large countries are left, in which the Liberals will do well (Britain, Poland).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 04:53:00 PM EST
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My bad -- I thought PO is ALDE...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 04:56:50 PM EST
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eu-wide provisionals from europarl.europa.eu: EPP-ED 263-273; PES 155-165; ALDE 78-84; G-EFA 52-56; GUE/NGL 33-37; UEN 33-37

BBC just showed results in so far, those show conservatives holding, PES losing a lot, Greens gaining.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 05:17:02 PM EST
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The majority in the parliament is at 369 seats. The PES, Greens-EFA and ALDE hold a maximum projected 296, with the GUE/NGL they have 331. So there's no centre-left majority to be had.

The EPP-ED and ALDE have a maximum projected 353 seats. Add a few from the 'other' parties (like, say, that party the tories are cooking up) and you quickly have a working majority.

So a 'centre-right' victory would seem to be the logical conclusion.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 06:26:23 PM EST
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This seen on Facebook:
[To] Graham [Watson, ALDE Chairman], if there is indeed a majority with the EPP, you should press to become the president of the EP. :-)
Ugh.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buitler
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 06:28:08 PM EST
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Maybe "ugh", but at least actually democratic and not pre-cooked.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 06:46:55 PM EST
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Watson is now playing up being the 'king-maker'
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 07:55:35 PM EST
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We're already getting implistic conclusions in the FT:


But the election's basic message was that voters in the EU's biggest countries preferred the centre-right to the centre-left at a time of severe recession.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 06:40:21 PM EST
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Not simplistic - self-serving.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buitler
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 06:41:11 PM EST
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Right. Unsurprising, either way. A venner of truth, to push a not quite  true version.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 06:45:51 PM EST
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The Greens/EFA will be the only group to increase its seat count even with the parliament losing seats overall.


The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buitler
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 06:46:49 PM EST
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And they are reaching high enough numbers (like in France) to significantly alter traditional political dynamics...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 06:49:35 PM EST
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to look like an overall outcome: PES down, Greens possibly becoming a major player. It may not be all bad, if ALDE also keeps up a good portion.
by Nomad on Sun Jun 7th, 2009 at 07:21:59 PM EST
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It might be worth looking at the balance between left-liberal and right-liberal in the ALDE.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buitler
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 8th, 2009 at 01:22:37 AM EST
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I thought about breaking down the EPP a bit. They are the one who matter most.
by Nomad on Mon Jun 8th, 2009 at 11:57:41 AM EST
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As noted in the update of the diary, it remains to be seen what happens on the far-right:

  • the ID (18 MEP-elects) now looks to be below the 25 seat limit, thus poised for dissolution;
  • UEN (32 MEP-elects) may fall below the threshold too, with further departures (in particular the 15 of PiS from Poland may join the EC);
  • though Euronat parties collected only 17 MEP-elects, they may yet manage to cobble together a far-right faction with UEN and ID dropouts.

By my count, there are altogether 37 far-right MEP-elects (23 Non-Inscrits, among them 17 associated with Euronat and/or the late ITS faction; 2 in the ID; 12 in the UEN), which would place them between Greens and GUE/NGL in size. However, they won't all suffer each other in the same faction. Not even all Euronat parties are compatible: above all Jobbik/Hungary and PRM/Romania (both with 3 MEP-elects).

(In the above didn't UKIP and PiS as far-right, BTW -- 'hard right' suffices probably, though I'm not sure about UKIP.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 06:26:34 AM EST
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consisting of the Conservatives (UK; 26 seats) and the ODS (Czech Republic; 9 seats), correct?
by Nomad on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 07:44:12 AM EST
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Yep.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 07:56:37 AM EST
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Minor correction: it consists of ODS (9), Tories (25), and North Ireland's Ulster Unionist Party (UUP, 1 seat).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 08:01:27 AM EST
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When is their deadline for forming new groups/recruiting new members?

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!
by A swedish kind of death on Wed Jun 10th, 2009 at 09:41:00 AM EST
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Group formation/dissolution can happen in the middle of a parliament's term.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 10th, 2009 at 10:32:29 AM EST
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I meant the groups that may not reach the threshold for group status. When would for example I/D need to have recruited their extra members? When the parliament opens? Or does the parliament have a forming period of some sort?

(I kind of remember that ALDE was formed early autumn 2004.)

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Wed Jun 10th, 2009 at 04:47:11 PM EST
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