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I'd be interested in seeing how European railroad engineers decide on the maximum locomotive size. Here in the U.S. there were a few really giant diesel electric engines made a few years ago, but sizes stabilized at about half of the maximum because it's better to have more units in the case when one breaks. Our big coal trains typically have six locomotives pulling them...

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by asdf on Sun Jun 21st, 2009 at 02:25:12 PM EST
When you say "size", which one do you mean: power rating, total mass, or length/width/height?

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by DoDo on Sun Jun 21st, 2009 at 02:37:28 PM EST
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The standard locomotives in my area are the EMC SD70MAC used by the BNSF and the GE AC4400CW used by the Union Pacific. They both have AC motors and produce around 3200 kW of power.

The "really big" locomotives were the SD90MAC and the GE AC6000CW, both at around 4500 kW. In both cases, U.S. railroads decided that these giants resulted in having too many eggs in one basket, and they reverted to multiple units of the smaller model engines.

Union Pacific 7125 is an AC4400CW.

by asdf on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 01:02:51 AM EST
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So you meant power when you say "big". As for other sizes, not THAT different, comparing f.e. the 4000HP and 6000HP versions of EMD:

SD70MACSD90MAC-H
Length:74'0" (22,555 mm)80'2" (24,435 mm)
Mass:415,000 lbs (188.2 t)425,000 lbs (192.8 t)

As far as I know, the US trend to abandon the 6000HP locos was related more strongly to two other factors: (1) frequent breakdowns due to problems with the engines; (2) the issue I mention for Europe, wheel slip in non-ideal weather conditions.

It is worth to note that at least EMD's AC electric equipment (inverters and motors) also originates in the German development: via Siemens who made the first few. (GE's is all own development, though, I believe.)

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by DoDo on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 04:13:48 AM EST
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... less frequently maintained track also provide an incentive to put the power out over more axles?


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by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Mon Jun 22nd, 2009 at 11:37:40 PM EST
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In general, Re the reason you mention for the US: in Europe, until recently, the principle was one locomotive per train. The only exception from that being mountain passes, where railways employed pusher locomotives (without coupling them); or, on the main Alpine passes, two pulling locomotives (on the Gottthard, usually an SBB Re 6/6 II and an SBB Re 4/4 II or III for a total of ten axles, called by railwaymen "a Re 10/10"). But none of these, nor the current practice of double (on normal lines) or up to quadruple heading (on Alpine passes) assumed redundance for locomotives breaking down.

Here, breakdowns were supposed to be prevented by good maintainance -- then again, trains run shorter distances, and when there is a breakdown, a replacement loco is not far (well, that is, unless bad management reduced spare locos kept in sheds justfor this purpose).

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by DoDo on Sun Jun 21st, 2009 at 03:08:35 PM EST
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Well, I guess we are all shade tree mechanics here at ET - of one sort or another ;-)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Jun 21st, 2009 at 03:33:24 PM EST
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Except for the English contingent.

They mechanic in the noonday sun.

;-)

by ATinNM on Sun Jun 21st, 2009 at 03:59:25 PM EST
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well either that or send our frothing hounds out to do the same. ;)

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by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sun Jun 21st, 2009 at 04:27:44 PM EST
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"Frothing Hounds" is a good name for a Weiss bier!
by ATinNM on Sun Jun 21st, 2009 at 05:21:50 PM EST
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Example of shade tree mechanic:

by asdf on Sun Jun 21st, 2009 at 09:48:16 PM EST
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