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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 at 01:41:23 PM EST
Head Scarf, or Jilbab, Emerges as Indonesia Political Symbol - NYTimes.com
JAKARTA, Indonesia -- The three parties competing in Indonesia's presidential election next week have plastered this city with campaign billboards and posters depicting, predictably, their presidential and vice presidential choices looking self-confident.

But one party, Golkar, has also put up posters of the candidates' wives next to their husbands, posing demurely and wearing Muslim head scarves known here as jilbabs. The wives recently went on a jilbab shopping spree in one of Jakarta's largest markets, and published a book together titled "Devout Wives of Future Leaders."

Most polls suggest that President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono of the Democratic Party will be re-elected in next Wednesday's vote, after running a smooth campaign based on his economic policies and a popular anticorruption drive. Despite television debates, the personality-driven campaigns have focused little on differences over policies or ideas, except regarding the wearing of the jilbab.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 at 01:49:06 PM EST
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US marines face a 'hell of a fight' in Helmand surge - Telegraph
United States Marines storming into southern Afghanistan are facing a "hell of a fight" in some districts while others are "suspiciously" quiet, their commander has said.

After meeting little resistance in the first day of Operation Khanjar, or 'sword strike', he said units south of Garmsir were involved in heavy fighting.

American marines lost a single soldier during the first 24 hours of the 4,000-strong assault on the Taliban heartlands of southern Helmand province.

The operation is the first big push of President Barack Obama's surge strategy which has seen 21,000 reinforcements ordered to the country this year.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 at 01:58:31 PM EST
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Al Jazeera English - CENTRAL/S. ASIA - US casualties in Afghan offensive

The first casualties have been reported as a US-led assault on Taliban-controlled areas in southern Afghanistan has entered its second day.

A US marine was killed and several others injured during sporadic battles in Helmand province during the first 24 hours of the offensive, the military said.

Marines pushed further into the province's districts of Garmsir and Nawa on Friday after US and Afghan forces reportedly seized control of Khanishin, towards the border with Pakistan, a day earlier, a US official told the AFP news agency.

Al Jazeera's Zeina Khodr, reporting from Lashkar Gah, said that the governor of Helmand province was confident that the operation would succeed, but the Taliban were as defiant as ever.

"They are denying that the marines as well as the Afghan national army are in control of Khanishin," she said.

"They are saying the US marines only control one hill and that they have decided to confront them. Even if they control a certain number of villages, they will not be able to keep them."

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Pentagon officials have said that the plan - the largest offensive by the US marines since Vietnam - is not just to inflict casualties against the enemy, but to dig in and hold on to territory.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 at 01:58:53 PM EST
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Georgia freemasons at loggerheads over admission of black man to lodge
* 26-year-old African American admitted to Atlanta lodge
* Issue headed for Masonic trial and state courts

By Chris McGreal, guardian.co.uk

There is much about Freemasonry that remains shrouded in mystery to the outside world. But a group of members in the US state of Georgia appear to have clarified one thing - the supreme being in which all Masons are required to believe is not likely to be black.

Freemasonry lodges in Georgia are at loggerheads over the admission of a "non-white" member to an organisation that was founded on the principles of the Enlightenment but which is apparently still struggling to catch up with the latter part of the 20th century.

Now the issue is headed for a Masonic trial and the state courts after some lodges in Georgia sought to revoke the charter of one in Atlanta for admitting Victor Marshall, a 26-year-old African-American army reservist, last autumn.

The Atlanta lodge has fought back in the state courts by seeking to block the move on the grounds that is based on "racial animosity and hatred".

by Magnifico on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 at 02:11:59 PM EST
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Has been a problem for a very long time.  Prince Hall Masons have always had problems being recognized and the regular Blue Lodges hold fast to an old requirement that a Mason must "be born a free man", ergo descendants of slaves do not qualify, or such is the reasoning.

But no one is born into slavery anymore so it's a little ridiculous.  And considering our dwindling numbers, you would think the Grand Lodges would realize that this is the 21st Century and not the 18th Century.

If Masonry continues with this idiocy, we deserve to die out like the dinosaurs.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 at 03:15:23 PM EST
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since you bring it up, would you be willing to answer some questions about freemasonry here, JD?

is anyone else curious, or is this inappropriate?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 at 05:27:22 PM EST
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The ones I can ;-)

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"
by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 04:19:18 AM EST
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is freemasonry similar wherever it's practiced?

does it have a global goal?

does it dabble in occult stuff?

why is it different from rotary, elks, etc?

is it just a scratch my back club?

does it have concrete benefits to you in life?

why is secrecy so important? what's to hide?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 04:28:56 AM EST
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is freemasonry similar wherever it's practiced?

Yes, but I understand there are minor differences between North America and Europe.  I haven't been able to afford to be current on my dues for awhile so I haven't been able to attend a Continental Blue Lodge, which is a shame since I live so near Goethe's Weimar.

does it have a global goal?

Yes, Fraternity in philanthropy, Morality and Brotherly Love
examples include:
Shriners Hospitals
Dentistry for the Handicapped
Scottish Rite Learning Centers
Scottish Rite Children's Medical Center

does it dabble in occult stuff?

No, what is propagated by conspiracy loons has, as all propaganda, a kernal of truth.  What they call the "occult" is actually the allegory and metaphor of Freemasonry and its Enlightenment principles taught through acting out, like a play.  A lot of the allegory centers around the stone masons who built the Temple in Jerusalem.  The other aspect is that it is open to all who believe in a Supreme being, so it accepts adherents to all major religions as equals.  This tended to piss of the Jesuits and still pisses off the Christian fundies.

why is it different from rotary, elks, etc?

In many ways it is not, just that it is older, the first lodge opened in 1717, and more mystical in its allegorical rites.

is it just a scratch my back club?

Very likely that was an element at one time.  It was also a communication venue during the US Revolution.  The Green Dragon Tavern in Boston was also a Masonic Lodge and Paul Revere, Benjamin Rush and others had a lot to do with the Boston Tea Party using their Masonic connections.  But not so much anymore, or at least I didn't get the memo...

does it have concrete benefits to you in life?

Only fraternity and brotherhood and a study of Enlightenment principles upon which to build personal character.  There is no material benefits to becoming a Freemason

why is secrecy so important? what's to hide?

Benjamin Franklin once said, "The great secret of Freemasonry is that there is no secret at all."  Others often say that it is a society with secrets not a secret society.  Truthfully, there is nothing to hide and those secrets have been in the public domain for quite sometime, the Library of Congress, books on the matter, the internet.  It's just tradition and an oath not to reveal them although they are already out there.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 05:30:01 AM EST
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Damn, we've been infiltrated by the global conspiracy TM ;)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 05:49:04 AM EST
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Didn't you know?  I infiltrated on ET's first day so that I could pull Jerome's puppet strings - he IS a banker, afterall!

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"
by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 05:53:08 AM EST
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I believe we also have some Jews and Communists. I think we're set. :-)

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 05:53:51 AM EST
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But do we have enough Scots or Homosexuals? Theres just too many groups nowadays trying to take over, its so hard to keep track.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 06:04:58 AM EST
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thanks JD, excellent reply.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 06:37:53 AM EST
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Who is working on the New World Order?
by das monde on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 02:25:25 AM EST
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Those jerks are always lurking around the corner, it's why we arm our Tylers who guard the door of the lodge with drawn swords!

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"
by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 05:56:25 AM EST
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  1. Why do they want to refuse blacks? No, you don't need answer that one...

  2. What the hell do the courts have to do with it? Isn't it a private matter, or are masonic lodges government authorities in the US?


Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 12:05:04 PM EST
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_   2. What the hell do the courts have to do with it? Isn't it a private matter, or are masonic lodges government authorities in the US?_

Well, first of all, since the Civil Rights Act of 1964, discrimination by private actors is illegal in the US. Private clubs are excepted but they're not really well defined.

Secondly, do you really find it strange that a dispute between private actors can end up in court? I realize that the US and Swedish legal cultures are different, but still...

by MarekNYC on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 12:41:15 PM EST
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I think it's really weird. If I start a private club, I have the right to deny admittance to anyone I feel like, no matter their race, colour or creed. Just because it's my club.

If it's a commercial facility (like a store or reastaurant) the situation is obviously different.

Then we have the social dimension. Why does this army reservist want to be in a club that doesn't want him because they're a bunch of racists? Does he think it'll be fun to be in that club, especially after he's taken them to court?

I mean, taking someone to court is just another way of saying "I hate you and you are a criminal". It's hard to imagine a more efficient way to insult someone than taking him to court.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 05:14:09 PM EST
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Starvid:
Why does this army reservist want to be in a club that doesn't want him because they're a bunch of racists? Does he think it'll be fun to be in that club, especially after he's taken them to court?
But that's not what the court case is about. The case is over
some lodges in Georgia [seeking] to revoke the charter of one in Atlanta for admitting ... a[n] African-American


A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 05:36:15 PM EST
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And the reservists hasn't taken the lodges to court. His lodge has taken to court some other lodges which objected to it having admitted the reservist.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 06:04:30 PM EST
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Argh. Must read closer next time. Please do ignore my previous confused ramblings.

But uh, why do they need to go to court to revoke their "charter"? Isn't that an internal issue either for every specific lodge to decide upon, or for the central/national lodge, if there is such a thing?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 08:29:09 PM EST
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The Atlanta lodge is going to court to pre-empt the "Masonic trial" that other members have managed to convene with the intention of possibly expelling them.

I wonder whether taking internal differences to the outside courts wouldn't be a violation of Masonic rules... Maybe JD can comment?

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 5th, 2009 at 04:36:21 AM EST
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As I understand it each lodge makes the individual membership decisions, this one was happy to accept an AA as a member. The state organisation to which it belongs then tried to effectively shut them down, and the lodge, (not the AA member) sued.  IANAL, but I believe that the private club exception becomes harder to sustain for associations than for discrete individual groups.

I mean, taking someone to court is just another way of saying "I hate you and you are a criminal". It's hard to imagine a more efficient way to insult someone than taking him to court.

Are you seriously saying that contract disputes in Sweden don't end up in court when negotiations break down? Here you have one organization exercising its perogative to choose its members, and its parent organisation saying, no, you can't admit this specific person because he's black, and we're going to punish you. Talks went nowhere, so it's in court.  

If I start a private club, I have the right to deny admittance to anyone I feel like, no matter their race, colour or creed. Just because it's my club.

The question is, if you say that anybody meeting a certain set of criteria can apply to join, can those criteria include things like race, gender, creed, or orientation?  In America, as I said things seem to be a bit muddied on this issue. Personally I think that other than political or religious groups, the answer should be no.  

Why does this army reservist want to be in a club that doesn't want him because they're a bunch of racists? Does he think it'll be fun to be in that club, especially after he's taken them to court?

I take it you're a member of the traditionally dominant racial/gender group in your country?  Pace JD, such 'private' clubs have always been a nexus for networking and dealmaking. This is true whether we're talking golf, Masons, or cigars. (If you think all those junior white collar types at the corporate country club outing are there for the pleasure of golf, then I have a very pretty bridge with great brand value to sell you.) Allowing them to remain exclusively white male serves to perpetuate the existing racial and gender hierarchy in society by making it harder for others to get jobs and business.

by MarekNYC on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 06:22:23 PM EST
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The state organisation to which it belongs then tried to effectively shut them down, and the lodge, (not the AA member) sued.
Actually, from the Guardian article it appears the State Organization actually defended the Atlanta lodge initially, though it agreed to hear the complaint
The grand master, or leader of the Masons in Georgia, J Edward Jennings Jr, sent an email to members saying that Marshall was a legitimate member and should be treated as such. But that did not quell the row.

Under pressure, Jennings agreed to convene a Masons court to hear a complaint against the head of the Atlanta lodge, Michael Bjelajac, who is accused of violating "moral law", the "ancient landmarks" and "immemorial usages" of Freemasonry by admitting Marshall.

But the complaint has met with ridicule in part because there are largely black Masonic lodges in the US as well as in African countries such as Ghana.



A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 08:04:51 PM EST
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