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Has been a problem for a very long time.  Prince Hall Masons have always had problems being recognized and the regular Blue Lodges hold fast to an old requirement that a Mason must "be born a free man", ergo descendants of slaves do not qualify, or such is the reasoning.

But no one is born into slavery anymore so it's a little ridiculous.  And considering our dwindling numbers, you would think the Grand Lodges would realize that this is the 21st Century and not the 18th Century.

If Masonry continues with this idiocy, we deserve to die out like the dinosaurs.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 at 03:15:23 PM EST
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since you bring it up, would you be willing to answer some questions about freemasonry here, JD?

is anyone else curious, or is this inappropriate?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 at 05:27:22 PM EST
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The ones I can ;-)

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"
by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 04:19:18 AM EST
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is freemasonry similar wherever it's practiced?

does it have a global goal?

does it dabble in occult stuff?

why is it different from rotary, elks, etc?

is it just a scratch my back club?

does it have concrete benefits to you in life?

why is secrecy so important? what's to hide?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 04:28:56 AM EST
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is freemasonry similar wherever it's practiced?

Yes, but I understand there are minor differences between North America and Europe.  I haven't been able to afford to be current on my dues for awhile so I haven't been able to attend a Continental Blue Lodge, which is a shame since I live so near Goethe's Weimar.

does it have a global goal?

Yes, Fraternity in philanthropy, Morality and Brotherly Love
examples include:
Shriners Hospitals
Dentistry for the Handicapped
Scottish Rite Learning Centers
Scottish Rite Children's Medical Center

does it dabble in occult stuff?

No, what is propagated by conspiracy loons has, as all propaganda, a kernal of truth.  What they call the "occult" is actually the allegory and metaphor of Freemasonry and its Enlightenment principles taught through acting out, like a play.  A lot of the allegory centers around the stone masons who built the Temple in Jerusalem.  The other aspect is that it is open to all who believe in a Supreme being, so it accepts adherents to all major religions as equals.  This tended to piss of the Jesuits and still pisses off the Christian fundies.

why is it different from rotary, elks, etc?

In many ways it is not, just that it is older, the first lodge opened in 1717, and more mystical in its allegorical rites.

is it just a scratch my back club?

Very likely that was an element at one time.  It was also a communication venue during the US Revolution.  The Green Dragon Tavern in Boston was also a Masonic Lodge and Paul Revere, Benjamin Rush and others had a lot to do with the Boston Tea Party using their Masonic connections.  But not so much anymore, or at least I didn't get the memo...

does it have concrete benefits to you in life?

Only fraternity and brotherhood and a study of Enlightenment principles upon which to build personal character.  There is no material benefits to becoming a Freemason

why is secrecy so important? what's to hide?

Benjamin Franklin once said, "The great secret of Freemasonry is that there is no secret at all."  Others often say that it is a society with secrets not a secret society.  Truthfully, there is nothing to hide and those secrets have been in the public domain for quite sometime, the Library of Congress, books on the matter, the internet.  It's just tradition and an oath not to reveal them although they are already out there.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 05:30:01 AM EST
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Damn, we've been infiltrated by the global conspiracy TM ;)

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 05:49:04 AM EST
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Didn't you know?  I infiltrated on ET's first day so that I could pull Jerome's puppet strings - he IS a banker, afterall!

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"
by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 05:53:08 AM EST
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I believe we also have some Jews and Communists. I think we're set. :-)

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 05:53:51 AM EST
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But do we have enough Scots or Homosexuals? Theres just too many groups nowadays trying to take over, its so hard to keep track.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 06:04:58 AM EST
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thanks JD, excellent reply.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~
by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jul 4th, 2009 at 06:37:53 AM EST
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