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Just out of my weird side, how about that the WH are stringing this out 2 years cos they know they're gonna get a more amenable Senate and pass the full thing with nobody getting in the way, nobody needs to be bought, noboby needs to be placated ?

Just wondering

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 at 06:18:20 PM EST
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But by then you're left dicking around with the presidential election, and our guys and gals really can't afford to be going out in 2010 running on the fact that they passed a stimulus package two years earlier and didn't do shit the rest of the time.

There's logic to what you're saying, of course, but Congress is a logic-free zone.  It's little wonder to me Obama and others go wobbly on this or that issue when so many members of their own party immediately sandbag them the moment they show signs of doing something right.

Where your logic does hold up is in this way: If it were the case that we couldn't get anything very good (I don't think that's the case), you could go with passing something universal, even if it kinda sucks, and then go back to fix it in 2011 or 2013 when we (hopefully and probably) have more members.  You'll spend a little too much money on it, but who cares if you can firmly institutionalize the principle of universal coverage and not only leave the door open to further socialization, but basically require it in a kind of reverse-Drown Government in a Bathtub/setting-up-a-Shock-Doctrine-ahead-of-time situation?

I'm not sure if that would be workable or not.  It's a point on which the concept of a trigger could theoretically work if it were done right, but how often does something like that get done right?  Very rarely.

I'm okay with buying people and horse-trading if it means we get something good.  If Senator Generic Shithead wants some stupid committee assignment or some pet project -- well, fine, whatever.  Being highly risk-averse, I'd rather get it done now than roll the dice on having a better Congress in 2011, even though it seems likely.

Especially when we still have reconciliation as a last resort.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 at 06:40:30 PM EST
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...adding: A lot of what's been going on the past few weeks is, as you can imagine, positioning.  "Oh, I dunno if I can vote for that because blahblahblah."  In almost every case, it's total nonsense.  They just want attention and favors.

Now that phase of the process is passing over and everybody seems to be going back to their respective corners.  Is Mark Warner really gonna vote against a public option?  I highly doubt it.  Is DiFi?  No.  She did the same thing on the stimulus bill and eventually fell in line.

A lot of it really isn't serious.

Which is fortunate, since the reformers on our side have done such a lousy job for the last few weeks.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Jun 26th, 2009 at 06:47:15 PM EST
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