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I jumped into reading Robert Baer's books while I was in Providence.  Finished See No Evil and working on Sleeping with the Devil now.  Very interesting, and somewhat terrifying, stuff.

Baer is a former case officer for the CIA, and the books kind of make for a True Spook's rebuttal to paper-pushing psychopaths like Michael Scheuer, who, contrary to what he and the Faux News crowd insist on implying, has never actually been out in the field doing the real work of intelligence-gathering.

The view on what, exactly, has happened to the CIA over the last few decades makes a lot more sense than the Village explanation.  Essentially, Baer's view is that the CIA's failures -- not seeing the rise in radicalization in the Middle East, not knowing Saddam didn't have weapons of mass destruction, etc -- are a product of the fact that political meddling and the bureaucratic spinelessness that accompanies it has led the agency to do almost no actual, on-the-ground intelligence-gathering.

Instead, things like looking at satellite photos and making up stories to go along with them -- looking at you, Colin Powell -- have replaced the old-school stuff.

Anyway, recommended.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 at 10:48:46 AM EST
Distinctly recall reading Robert Baer saying this in the Atlantic not long after 9/11.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 at 11:06:00 AM EST
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It's important to understand that it's not, generally speaking, the military establishment that has a problem in this area. Of course they tend to be conservative and homophobic, but they are also realistic and in desperate need of trained intelligence officers, etc.

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2009/03/military_westpoint_knightsout_031609w/

The problem is the politicians run by the religious right and their ridiculous "literal" misreadings of folklore...

by asdf on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 at 07:48:53 PM EST
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Is this similar to ghost Wars ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 at 11:40:22 AM EST
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I haven't read Ghost Wars, for the record, but no, it doesn't seem to be similar.  Baer's books only barely touch on Afghanistan when he writes about his time in Dushanbe and dealing with the Islamic crazies in the Pamirs in Tajikistan just after the Soviet Union collapsed, but that section is more a coverage of how extremists were taking over the area between Tajikistan and Afghanistan, while the Russian military was basically left to rot.

I think the period when the CIA was involved with the Mujahideen in Afghanistan was the period when he was in Beirut trying to figure out who Islamic Jihad was (which is actually pretty interesting).

I gather from the reviews that GW covers the collapse of the CIA a bit, too, so there may be a few points of similarity.  I've been meaning to read GW, too, since Obama mentioned he was reading it during the campaign, and I wanted to know what he'd be absorbing from it.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 at 12:05:23 PM EST
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Interestingly, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran and all that are the least of his concerns.  In fact, on Iran, Baer's argument is basically the same one that Obama made during the election, except to say that he goes further in saying he doesn't have much of a problem with a nuclear Iran, and that Iran hasn't been involved with terrorism since 1996.

The second book, SWTD, is so far an indictment of the House of Saud both as corrupt rulers and as a mix of appeasers and outright supporters of Sunni terrorism, an investigation into heavy arms trading going into the country, and the implication that the clock is rapidly ticking down on the royal family.

Which is potentially, of course, a very scary prospect -- something that could conceivably make the Taliban taking over Pakistan look like a walk in the park.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 at 12:16:13 PM EST
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Wahabi:Saudi Arabia = Taliban:Afganistan. Both are Suni and Saudi "scholarships" for Taliban schools during the resistance to Soviet occupation of Afganistan strengthened the alignment between Wahabi and Talibi.  The Saudi Royal Family has known for a long time that they are riding the tiger of Wahabi religious fervor.  

Abdul Aziz very carefully closed down the Ikwan, or Brotherhood, after they had served the purpose of facilitating the uniting of the peninsula under the House of Saud.  But they have had to accommodate themselves to the attitudes of Wahabi clerics, as inconvenient as that may be to their own lifestyles.  The question of the long term political sustainability of this coexistence remains. I highly doubt that a Wahabi Arabia would be an improvement over Saudi Arabia.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jun 27th, 2009 at 05:31:37 PM EST
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