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many ossis wanted the material wealth of the consumer society of the West, but expected they would be able to maintain that economic security in the process. Gain something but not have to sacrifice something.

That's a better wording of a view I was critical of in the diary:

The "unmet expectations" meme is a common way to explain away Ostalgie -- and IMO both an ignorant and hypocritical one. There is a rather wide gap between believing Helmut Kohl's election slogan about "Flourishing landscapes", and finding oneself without a job for 10 years, while weed is flourishing instead within the perimeter of the factory you worked at.

In the above, I am also alluding to another version of the theory, with speaks about unmet promises: that is, the theory that an overwhelming majority of East Germans believed that election slogan. However, I don't believe even that.

If I remember how people or I myself felt here, it was not at all a rosy image as above indicated. At the end of the eighties, Eastern Bloc economies were in decline. (And East Germans remember that: see the third diagram I showed in the diary.) The predominant feeling was that things will get worse before they get better, and that there will be big transformations. In East Germany, the hope for a turnaround may have been stronger due to the money expected to flow in from the West, but, still.

But what many people got was not merely a failure to gain something without sacrificing something, not merely job insecurity. But a depression. The disappearance or massive shrinking of most existing companies, with not much new to replace them. Meanwhile, specially in East Germany, a brain drain: those who could and felt able did not wait for good-paying jobs to arrive, but used their freedom to move to move such jobs in the West. On a massive scale: 3 million by 2002. (Net migration was less, under 1.5 million back then; but a sizable part of those moving in from the West were retired.)

I also want to argue that Ostalgie itself cannot be reduced to the economic dimension only. There is the loss of culture (and with that identity). You have to consider that after Reunification, everything from brands in the supermarket through street marks to television was adopted from West Germany. For example, the most famous symbol of Ostalgie was the Ampelmännchen, the figure of the walking/standing man in traffic lights for pedestrians: there was a broad movement requesting that it be kept, fighting federal demands for standardisation (and ultimately winning the right after a long fight).

I'm sure one can find something similar across the former Eastern Bloc

There are different complications. For one, the economic collapses and neolib reforms went on in the other countries without a Reunification with a West that is at least investing massively in infrastructure. On the other hand, while the heir of the SED developed into a hard-leftist opposition party, the heirs of most other 'communist' parties developed into more or less corrupt, more or even more 'reformed', at times election-winning parties; and thus, the reflection on the past is coloured by the view of the present in wholly different ways. Finally, the disappearance of old brands etc. wasn't total, so the equivalents of sentimental Ostalgie are less pronounced.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 06:09:48 PM EST
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and I was informed by the Uni legal advice that Thüringia was one of the more difficult states to immigrate in as opposed to the West.  You would think they would be more accommodating to well educated migrants because of that.  But no, in an irrational fit of xenophobia, they'd rather commit economic and cultural suicide rather than let them nasty foreigners in.

Yes, I'm bitching about the Auslandsamt again, sorry

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 03:08:15 AM EST
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(BTW, I missed that diary of yours -- along with a lot else; for example, I got to reading all of FarEasterner's Thailand, Nepal and India diaries only the previous weekend --, hope I can find the time today.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 03:43:54 AM EST
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Some stats. While the economic situation I described improved since, some things remain in a chronic state.

  • East German per capita GDP is quite stable around 70% of that in the West (see graph until 2002 on page 3 right here).

  • The decreased unemployment rate is still twice that in the West (13.3% vs 6.9% in May 2009).

  • The low-wage sector is much higher in the East (see pdf page 65 of the Third Poverty Report; 2005: 6.8% of all employees in West Germany, 19.4% in East Germany).

  • Thus it's no wonder that average pre-tax wages in the East stagnated at 77.5% of those in the West even in 2005 (see pdf page 17  of the Third Poverty Report)

  • The East-West internal emigration (see for East Germany including Berlin vs. West Germany until 2006 on pdf page 18 here; and for East Germany vs. West Germany without Berlin until 2007 here) continues steadily (around 50,000/year net).


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 05:38:41 AM EST
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