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A 13 year old discovers an antiquated Sony Walkman.

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It took me three days to figure out that there was another side to the tape. That was not the only naive mistake that I made; I mistook the metal/normal switch on the Walkman for a genre-specific equaliser, but later I discovered that it was in fact used to switch between two different types of cassette.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 10:42:49 AM EST
Heh, I still own one.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 10:47:45 AM EST
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got any tapes to play in it?

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:02:13 AM EST
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Yes.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:03:34 AM EST
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I've got cassettes I made in the 70s.

Can't think when I last listened to them.

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by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:35:08 AM EST
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My oldest (still works) features The Byrds. Though it was already Oldies But Goldies when I recorded it.

I remember reading back then that audio cassettes were all going to be demagnetised and wiped in a short space of time, could not last, etc, but that one's running late.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:51:26 AM EST
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Cassettes were originally designed for dictation machines. Getting reasonable hifi out of them took epic engineering.

Especially at the high end, where you could buy one of these from Dragon decks from Nakamichi in the early 80s for $2500. (About $6000 in 2009 money.)

Considering that most pre-recorded tapes were utter crap, industrially produced to the lowest possible budget, this might have been something of a waste, perhaps.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 12:10:08 PM EST
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Tape for cassettes was manufactured in wide rolls and then cut to format. The cheapest blank tapes were cut from the outside of the roll.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 12:14:30 PM EST
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The width of cassette tape was not inherently a limitation: comparable to 24 tracks on 2" (2 mm nominal, if I recall). It was the speed of the tape past the play head that was the problem: a design function of play length within the cassette.

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 12:19:49 PM EST
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Also, head size and tape tensioning. And tape thickness, which also made a difference.

The dupe machines used to run at something like 16X real time for pre-made cassettes and up to 160X real time for tape-only copy before assembly.

If you ran the tape-only copiers too fast the tape would burst into flames, which is probably the only thing that kept speeds from getting higher.

16X real time doesn't give the head a lot of time to kick the tape particles around, so the high end on most recordings started to roll off somewhere around 6-8k.

But most players couldn't play anything over 12k anyway, so not many people noticed.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 12:44:48 PM EST
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Not to mention the frequency range of many people's hearing. Optical negative was rolled off at 10k!

The brain can reconstruct a lot of information - what it finds hard to process is complex spatial reverberation. A lot of recordings today mix all kinds of delays, echoes and reverb in the same track so that the brain cannot 'reassemble' the space. (A function I guess of software that makes it easy to insert a chain in any channel). It is quite tiring to listen to. A stereo recording with a Blumlein pair is a lot easier to listen to, even with limited frequency range and media noise.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 01:22:00 PM EST
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Trivia corner - one of my old school teachers was Blumlein's son. He was - let's say - not someone who'd fit in comfortably on ET, politically or socially.

I noticed that I used to enjoy music more on cassette, presumably because my brain was filling in what it wanted to hear because there was so little real detail there.

That didn't change until I ripped all of my CDs to disk - which makes a bit-perfect copy of the CD master - and started playing them through decent converters.

Now I wonder how I ever put up with vinyl or tape.

I don't find the processed sound tiring - it's been processed for a while now, and I more or less grew up with it.

But it is hard to find really good engineering now, and many (but not all) recent albums seem to sound wretchedly bad - thin, grainy, heavy-handed - compared to some of classics from the 70s, which also had plenty of fake reverb and echo, but managed to hold it together more satisfyingly.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 01:33:35 PM EST
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The best engineers I have worked with as a producer have been real engineers ;-)

The engineer at my favourite studio in Stockholm in the Seventies modded the Dolby A's there - and Dolby bought his mods. He later became house engineer for Abba - and whatever you think of the music, it's great engineering.

You can't be me, I'm taken

by Sven Triloqvist on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 01:41:00 PM EST
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What a memory.  I had one, and replaced it with the Z9 which came after.  Real sound from a cassette.  Wish i hadn't sold it during hard times.

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by Crazy Horse on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 12:57:23 PM EST
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I do, too.  Buried in a box somewhere.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:16:44 AM EST
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I have a cassete Walkman which is probably in one of the front room drawers. And cassettes with music on cos I use 'em in me car.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:20:26 AM EST
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I was at a "swop" party yesterday - I got myself a free mini-disc player - I wonder what people will say of that one in a few years.

(The deal was not entirely free, some African bracelets, a cuddle and a mind numbingly boring book. Also got a dvd of the Simpsons with a collection of Halloween episodes.)

by Nomad on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:08:22 AM EST
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I didn't realise that was what happened at swap parties.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:10:37 AM EST
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I still have a big box of cassettes of music I wrote in the 80s.

I'm sure if I wait long enough it's going to be possible to copy it to hard disk just by looking at it and thinking 'Hmmm.'

There's also a DAT recorder. (How many cuddles are those worth now?)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:23:26 AM EST
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it generally is done with clothes only.

But that was found to be too boring, so the attributes ranged from showerheads to cuddles.

by Nomad on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:32:18 AM EST
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I have been grossly misinformed by The Ice Storm then.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Mon Jun 29th, 2009 at 11:42:19 AM EST
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