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Oh I feel your pain. I remember spending two days solidly looking through a sites networking setup data files. routing was going up and down seemingly at random, in the end, we tracked it down to a single comma, where there should have been a full stop on a single line, out of three thousand.

It always seems so obvious when you actually see the cause.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 11:26:59 AM EST
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Heh. I've been waiting patiently for an editor to get back to me with some comments about a proposed book outline.

It turns out that the revised file was at the end of an email sent last week, hidden at the end of the old quoted text, so I didn't see it.

I also didn't see the words 'please read the attached file, revise it, and get back to me' in the main email.

Someone needs a holiday, and I think it could be me.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 11:34:12 AM EST
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I increased our monthly turnover by 50% simply by turning a . into an ,

why oh why is there no international agreed way how to write numbers. (although I prefer the english before the german...)

by PeWi on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 03:20:15 PM EST
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Actually... what you call "German" is the international version, and is French in origin:

Decimal separator - Wikipedia

In the Middle Ages, before printing, a bar ( ¯ ) over the units digit was used to separate the integral part of a number from its fractional part, a tradition derived from the decimal system used in Indian mathematics.[1] Its regular usage and classification can be attributed to the Iranian mathematician Al-Khwarizmi. Later, a separator (ˌ) (a short, roughly vertical, ink stroke) between the units and tenths position became the norm. When this character was typeset, it was convenient to use the existing comma (,) or period (.) instead.

In France, the period was already in use in printing to make Roman numerals more readable, so the comma was chosen. Many other countries also chose to use the comma to mark the decimal units position.[2] It has been made standard by the ISO for international blueprints. However, English-speaking countries took the comma to separate sequences of three digits.

Also, I prefer the international version not only because that's the one I learnt first, but for pure visual-practical reasons: because the comma as decimal separator is more prominent than the dot or space as thousands separator.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 05:11:08 PM EST
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BTW, what is your view on miles, pounds and all the rest of the Anglo-Saxon World Standard [sorry poemless] you have to put up with in Scotland?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 05:19:44 PM EST
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Put up with? I spent my childhood in Scotland learning how to convert pounds to shillings to pennies to guineas to sixpences etc. They have it easy now...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 05:23:01 PM EST
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Dinna forget the bawbees.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 at 02:44:41 AM EST
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I was saying to someone else a little while back, that I do all my complicated maths in German - even though I am probably reasonable bi-lingual by now, but if I have to divide or subtract bigger numbers, or even just remember number sequences, that all happens in German. It is the only thing I do in German - really strange (well not really, but noticeable).

So all these measurements only get annoying in the miles per gallon - petrol consumption.

nobody buys by the gallon anymore, but they talk about that when the talk about fuel consumption.
HE: Oh, I got 17 miles to the Gallon,
I: that is, wait a moment. siebzehn, mal eins komma fuenf equalls fuenfundzwanzig komma fuenf kilometer hundred divided by that is about vier times gallon, no not 3.7, bu four point five.... What you used how much petrol, 16 liters on 100 kilometers?

sigh.

There is a  SNP drive to introduce Tatties and brambles onto labels in Supermarkets, not sure about that. Are there regional naming variation in country wide operating supermarkets in other countries?

by PeWi on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 05:51:31 PM EST
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Sure. Do you know Paradeiser? Also, I'm not sure the same products appear as Orange and Apfelsine in the same supermarkets in South resp. North Germany, but both do appear on labels.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jun 30th, 2009 at 06:11:48 PM EST
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DoDo:
Do you know Paradeiser?

I thought that is a word mainly used in Austria, though the tomato at times is also called Paradiesapfel, I haven't heard the word in a long time.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 at 01:28:11 AM EST
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Now that you say it Fran, oherwise being from the North of Germany (languagewise - I rather stumble on sharp stones)
by PeWi on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 at 02:16:26 AM EST
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AFAIK it is used only in (South)eastern Austria, thus there is variation within the country (of Austria). I couldn't find an article on its exact origins, only vague suggestions that Paradiesapfel (for our non-German-speakers: 'paradise apple'; an alternative name used for tomato) was in geographically much wider use.

The word in standard Hungarian (paradicsom) and Slovenian (paradižnik) are the equivalents of Paradeiser (e.g. shortened versions of 'paradise apple'). So it seems to be a cultural tradition that is both multilingual, and only regional within the state it emerged in (the Habsburg Empire).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 at 06:19:06 AM EST
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You need to divide 235 by one number to get the other.
So roughly:

60mpg = 4l/100km
40mpg = 6l/100km
30mpg = 8l/100km
25mpg = 10l/100km (well, just under)
20mpg = 12l/100km
16mpg = 15l/100km
12mpg = 20l/100km

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 1st, 2009 at 05:06:33 AM EST
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