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excellent comment and rebuttal.  I'm moving over to read your new diary now.

Just wanted to say that I don't believe that groups like the NPD shouldn't be watched or ignored, quite the contrary.

But I had to comment on, for instance, hysteria over at big orange that Europe is moving to the far right in the Bullying Bonddad diary.  I thought is was a good example of ridiculous hyperbole.  I just don't see it here, on the ground.

However, there are a few signs for Die Republikaner a couple of hundred meters from my flat.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 08:38:57 AM EST
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By the way, regarding where you live. I checked some figures for Thuringia and Jena. I wanted to see if there was any comparison for these prior far-right successes in other East German states; one of which lasting two terms:
  • 12.9% for the DVU in Saxony-Anhalt in 1998 (fortunately they could be eliminated completely, not even running in elections next time, then came back to only 3.0% in 2006);
  • 7.3% for the NPD in Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania in 2006;
  • 5.3% for the DVU in Brandenburg in 1999, growing to 6.1% in 2004;
  • 9.2% for the NPD in Saxony in 2004.

(You see that for two of these and Thuringia, a test will come this year (in August resp. September). Polls show both the Brandenburg and Saxony extemists near the 5% limit, but we'll never now until election night.)


Well, in regional elections in Thuringia, the highest score was a combined 4.1% (3.1% DVU + 0.8% Republikaner + 0.2% NPD) in 1999; followed by a combined 3.6% (Rep 2%+ NPD 1.6%) last time in 2004. So pretty resistant against the far-right so far, better than some West German states.

Now for some results in Jena.

  • In the present EP elections, in which the Linke beat the CDU for first place (woohoo!!!) and even Greens were just shy of 15% and Pirates 1.8%; the Republikaner got 1.6% and the DVU 0.5%.
  • In this year's municipal elections, the ratios of the major parties are slightly different (SPD is biggest), while the far right did not even run.
  • In the 2005 federal elections, 'won' clearly by the SPD, a combined 2.9% voted far-right (NPD: 2.4%, Rep: 0.5%).
  • In the 2004 regional elections, 2.8% (Rep: 1.5%, NPD: 1.3%). Even in 1999, DVU scored least just in Jena (total far-right vote 2.0+0.9+0.3 = 3.2%).

So I envy you -- you live in a good place! Pretty strongly on the left and never going far-right.

But, the FDP also got 9.2% in the EP and 11.0% in the local elections. In the last two regional elections, the FDP got the most votes just in Jena.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 02:56:18 PM EST
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