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Other lines are straight out of Goethe, Hölderlin and even Wagner (whose words are put in the mouth of a singing cat).

Marvelous. :)

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:10:37 PM EST
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If that was a draw, it's interesting that they chose a Disney character.  Warner Brothers cartoons (Looney Tunes, Animaniacs) were filled with references to the classics.  I always liked the Looney Tunes cartoons more than Disney.  They were more subversive and more laden with cultural references.  Disney promoted a creepy shiny happy normalcy.  Have you ever seen the Mickey Mouse Club?  That shit gives those Communist Pioneer clubs a run a for their money any day.  


"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:21:50 PM EST
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To say nothing of it having given us Britney Spears and Justin Timberlake.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:25:12 PM EST
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my ex was a Young Pioneer and KOMSOMOL.  She said it was a great place to meet boys, she didn't know a lot about Marx, though, nor really cared.....

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"
by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:27:21 PM EST
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I take some issue with the indoctrination of children, whether by capitalists or commies.  And as we can see from the comment about Brintey and Justin, looks like the Mickey Mouse club was more of a meat market than an effective propaganda tool too.  Still creepy, though.  

As for the Komsomol, I recently read a brilliant book, basically confirming your ex's statements, called, Everything was forever until it was no more.  I highly recommend it, to everyone.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:39:52 PM EST
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Yea, I can see that, but she was on the tail end of the USSR when she was in Komsomol, from what she explained, there really wasn't much indoctrination going on anymore.  Everyone went through the necessary motions while rolling their eyes.

It was more of a time of a government paper-tiger that paid for camping trips and socials as well as a time of cutting edge new "Glastnost" rock groups like KINO and Akvarium.  Those bands were actually pretty good and sang about the gravitas of their time, too bad Russian rock fell into the euro-pop dance model.

As far as the Mickey Mouse Club (the original, I watched the reruns as a kid), that was pretty good propaganda portraying the black and white (in both senses) "Leave it to Beaver" and "Father Knows Best" world of post-war 1950s suburban "America", white picket fences (and all white people) and all that.

The reincarnation seems to be just as you said, a dysfunctional meat market.

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:56:44 PM EST
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she was on the tail end of the USSR when she was in Komsomol, from what she explained, there really wasn't much indoctrination going on anymore.  Everyone went through the necessary motions while rolling their eyes.

Which is what that book discusses.  The people who really were into it for ideological reasons were considered weirdos.  Everyone else was doing it for career or social benefits.

Ah, they don't make them like Akvarium anymore...  Akvarium doesn't even make them like Akvarium  anymore.  :/   But if you are looking for non-cheesy Russian pop/rock/etc, this is a cool site:

http://www.moscow.ucla.edu/

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 01:06:37 PM EST
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I'm checking it out

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"
by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 01:17:01 PM EST
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I saw a television news report about Nashi, the pro-Putin youth group, in which members said that it was a good way to meet members of the opposite sex. But they didn't seem to be rolling their eyes at the political aspects.
by Gag Halfrunt on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 05:41:16 AM EST
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Interesting.  Нащы or Nashi means "ours" or "unser"....

::sigh::

another nationalist movement, when will we ever outgrow our tribalism?

"Schiller sprach zu Goethe, Steck in dem Arsch die Flöte! Goethe sagte zu Schiller, Mein Arsch ist kein Triller!"

by Jeffersonian Democrat (rzg6f@virginia.edu) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 09:35:38 AM EST
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Some ET coverage of Nashi here.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 10:25:20 AM EST
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Ich stehe auf Betty Boop.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:27:52 PM EST
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I don't speak German, but Google says you are standing on Betty Boop?

Betty Boop rocks, IMO.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:30:25 PM EST
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German expression literally meaning i stand for, or better i support, or i like.  I would never stand on ms. boop, though she could stand on me anytime.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:33:43 PM EST
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Dig, appreciate, fancy...

Leo.Org (the best source for german translation, to englisch, french, italian, spanish and chinese, but only as a dictionary)

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:44:49 PM EST
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Betty Boop?  Not Jessica Rabbit?

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:46:15 PM EST
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Ahhh, she was a one-off.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 12:58:50 PM EST
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You had a one night stand with Jessica?  

Tell us more...

I refused another opportunity to go to Disneyland just yesterday.  I have been there twice, once when my daughter was 9, and again when her daughter was 9.  I could never escape the feeling that I was under surveillance the whole time, by persons who were under orders to surreptitiously whisk me away through secret tunnels at the first sign of anti-Disney activities.

I will give them one thing, though. When I finally escaped Dwindle City, Ohio, at 18, and discovered classical music, I somehow knew of lot of the classical themes. Years later, I realized it was because Disney cartoons used them

Greatferm

by greatferm (greatferm-at-email.com) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 01:44:02 PM EST
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she had undulating curves which seemed to waver in the air, though her sultry voice remained.  i was never able to fully "grasp" the situation.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 03:01:39 PM EST
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There is the infamous segment in Red Dwarf where Lister and Cat discuss whether Wilma Flintstone or Betty Rubble is the sexiest woman ever. A classic !!

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 01:53:55 PM EST
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Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 04:05:48 PM EST
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link ? I'm still in no-embedded video hell.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 04:11:37 PM EST
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKy8CzX4TEU,

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 04:13:28 PM EST
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Ah...so good it hurts.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 04:34:02 PM EST
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But she'd never leave Fred...

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 05:05:48 PM EST
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Yea, what were you thinking ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 05:08:52 PM EST
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of Wilma, obviously.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 05:35:52 PM EST
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Well, I did have a fondness for Annette Funachelo, especially going away.  Disney did push the envelope on teen sexuality a bit on the original Mousketeers.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 01:16:43 PM EST
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Helps to read the entire article. Draw? No. Poison pill, yes.

In the years following World War II, American influence in the newly formed Federal Republic was strong, but German cultural institutions were hesitant to sanction one U.S. import: the comic book. A law banning comics was proposed, and some American comics were eventually burned by school officials worried about their effects on students' morals and ability to express themselves in complete sentences.

When the Ehapa publishing house was founded in 1951 to bring American comics to German kids, it was a risky endeavor. Ehapa's pilot project, a monthly comics magazine, bore the title "Micky Maus" to capitalize on that icon's popularity. From the beginning, though, most of the pages of "Micky Maus" were devoted to duck tales.

Control of literary content was a trade condition on Disney export to Germany. The untold story of the licensing arrangement explains why this human interest piece made the Weekend Edition cut at WSJ.

Speaking of Mickey, Maus, and counter-culture media industry: Another ironical departure from the iconographic farm, one of my favorites, is Mousketeer Annette Funicello's leading role in the Beach Party series --Beach Party (1963), Muscle Beach Party (1964), Bikini Beach (1964), Pajama Party (1964), How to Stuff a Wild Bikini (1965), and The Ghost in the Invisible Bikini (1966)-- quite the campy juxtoposition to Gidget, coming out of deep Cold War Kalifornia.

Frankie is such a perv, really.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 01:50:01 PM EST
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