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Think about it: the labour movement is mostly centered on the blue collar worker.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 04:22:17 PM EST
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My impression of the labor movement was that the most important things to it were fairness, worker rights, worker participation in company management, and so on, but not necessarily subscribing to the principle that productivity and growth are the primary purpose of human organization or that "more production is necessarily good".

Truth unfolds in time through a communal process.
by marco (cowannar at gmail punkt com) on Tue Jun 9th, 2009 at 04:40:49 PM EST
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The labour movement is also interested in ensuring there are jobs, which requires production and demand.

The unions are an integral part of the industrial production economy, working with it not against it.

They want a better set of the pie and that's easier if the pie grows.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 10th, 2009 at 02:01:08 AM EST
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I hate to repeat myself, but if you can find a copy of Galbraith's The New Industrial State, read the chapter on unions.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jun 10th, 2009 at 02:04:54 AM EST
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Galbraith's The New Industrial State at GoogleBooks.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Jun 10th, 2009 at 07:18:34 AM EST
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Impressionistic history of union organization indeed. Some 250 years, from "mechanics" through "progressives" (skipping the STFU, mining, longshore, etc) and CIO/ILU industrial recruitment, culminating in near universally accepted, ironical boilerplate of seniority and safety attributable to increasing corporate productivity.

ohmmmmm

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Wed Jun 10th, 2009 at 08:16:12 AM EST
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I've often wondered how exactly the so-called progressive idea that 'workers' need 'jobs' is supposed to be empowering.

I suppose it's better than starving. But isn't it almost completely passive otherwise?

But it's such a reliable and useful trope for the right - support this project/person/boondoggle and get Jobs™ - that I'm surprised it hasn't been challenged more often.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 08:32:26 AM EST
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Well, if you start advocating things like universal living stipends, you're no longer considered a social democrat...

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 03:18:11 PM EST
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oops

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buiter
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 03:20:28 PM EST
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Yeah, we're commies. What else is new?

Seriously, though, the social democrats have always been about the workers. Other disadvantaged groups have always taken a distinctly secondary position in the socdem programme. The early feminists, for instance, had to fight many of the socdems at least as hard as they had to fight the mommy-stay-at-home conservatives for their emancipation into wider society. They were thought to suppress wages - partly by increasing the number of available warm bodies, partly because there was a fear that they would not unionise properly. (Although to their credit, they came around a lot faster than the conservatives...)

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 03:59:06 PM EST
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Even farmers were disadvantaged with respect to industrial workers.

"Socialism" as we know it is a product of the industrial revolution.

The brainless should not be in banking. — Willem Buiter

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 04:01:08 PM EST
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Which Cohn-Bendit does, btw. (In his book, Que Faire?).
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Jun 12th, 2009 at 04:46:30 AM EST
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