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Maybe it would help if the Social Democrats didn't have among them some very dubious people, such as Georges Frêche and Manuel Valls :

Manuel Valls aimerait plus de "blancs" dans sa ville d'Evry | Rue89

Habitué aux sorties iconoclastes, le député-maire socialiste d'Evry (Essonne) s'est une nouvelle fois distingué mardi dans l'émission « Politiquement parlant » sur Direct8. Au cours d'un reportage réalisé dimanche pour l'occasion, Manuel Valls, parcourant les allées d'une brocante à Evry, lâche à Christian Gravel, son directeur de cabinet et directeur de la communication à la mairie :

« Belle image de la ville d'Evry... Tu me mets quelques blancs, quelques whites, quelques blancos... » (Voir la vidéo)

The PS mayor of Evry was seen in a TV documentary asking for more whites in the camera field.

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères

by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 04:28:05 AM EST
I've been reading some of the more exotic comment boards, and nationalisation/fascism seem based on historical romantic notions of sovereignty which are pure fairy tale.

Hence the BNP and UKIP's message of 'proud Britian betrayed by immigrant invaders' - which is closely tied to their apparent love of feudal England.

And that's literally feudal. Not just metaphorically. The BNP have just started a campaign to bring back Magna Carta as a serious constitutional document for the UK.

Since some of the greens would prefer an end to all science and industrialisation, and a return to what they think of as an organic utopia, the gap between nationalists and dark greens isn't as wide as it might be.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 08:39:03 AM EST
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My word, what a shortcut you take there! You might be able to find some feudalists who are also in favour of living in caves, but even the more fringe anti-modernists or log-cabin livers among greenish people I know are far removed from nationalist feelings, are in fact rather more universalist.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 09:36:16 AM EST
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It's not a shortcut. It may be more of a UK thing, but I can assure you from experience that the affinity is there.

It's not universal, but it's far from unheard of.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 10:26:02 AM EST
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By all accounts, Britain does have more than its fair share of radical environmentalists. I suppose that's only to be expected, because (unlike anarchists, communists and other radical socialist movements) it is a kind of "safe" radicalism that doesn't actually threaten any established power groups.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Thu Jun 11th, 2009 at 03:12:42 PM EST
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britain's anti-hunt, anti-vivisection, anti-motorway/airport brigades have been tenaciously and sometimes virulently activist for decades.

as for that kind of radicalism as safe and unthreatening to established power groups, the powers that made it harder to be a 'traveller' in the UK than any other european country sure felt threatened, as did those who wanted to build infrastructure where locals didn't want it.
likewise i'm certain that the protesters who climbed trees and refused to get down rather than have them cut to make way for some nightmare or other, felt threatened too, so it cuts both ways.

the rush to a surveillance state in england also points to the idea that certain powerful people were really terrified of losing control, imo.

could any country other than england have produced george orwell? only kafka shares that level of perception of the relationship between individual and state, that i know of.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Mon Jun 15th, 2009 at 02:39:00 AM EST
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