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I've decided that the reason more people do not take the European Union seriously is that the European Union is silly.  I mean, I am certain it all makes sense to you.  And you are going to explain to me why it makes sense.  But, even though it makes sense to you and you can explain to me how it makes sense, I maintain that it is positively nuts!

From the first Sweden-EU article that appears on Google news:

STOCKHOLM, July 1 (Xinhua) -- Sweden on Wednesday took over the presidency of the European Union (EU), the world's largest integrated economy with nearly half a billion citizen.

"After two year's preparation, Sweden takes over the presidency of the EU," Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt said at a joint press conference with the European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso.

From the good old Wikipedia:

The European Commission (formally the Commission of the European Communities) is the executive branch of the European Union.

In the study of political science the executive branch of government has sole authority and responsibility for the daily administration of the state bureaucracy.

The word presidency is often used to describe the administration or the executive, the collective administrative and governmental entity that exists around an office of president of a state or nation.

and once more:

"Sweden takes over the presidency of the EU," Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt said at a joint press conference with the European Commission President Jose Manuel Barroso...

... who is not even Swedish, to my knowledge.

Stop.  Don't.  Please.  It's not worth it.  

I mean, what the hell good is a presidency if no one knows who is in it or what it does?

Madness.  You're all quite lovely and civilized and have a great deal to offer the world.  But you're mad.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 02:22:05 PM EST
Well, we dislike the European Council's power grab, too -- no disagreement here...

On the other hand, "President" is accorded to the leader of non-executive institutions, too. You have a President of the Senate, too (which, in an ideal world, would be the rough equivalent of the European Council).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 02:28:26 PM EST
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omg Im so confused and don't even want to know what you are talking about.  Power grab?  I'm talking using words in ways that defy the laws of the universe and confuse everyone.

Just, stop using the same words for different things!  No one calls the President of the Senate the President of the US.  Why call Sweden the President of the EU?  How can a country be President of anything anyway?  That's crazy.  I mean, honest to god, why not call Sweden the "President of the Council" (if that's what it is - I don't even know anymore) and Barroso the "President of the Commission"?  No one even knows what the EU is anyway, so it might work.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 02:35:45 PM EST
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Bloody Europeans, doing things different to Americans. The cads.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 02:57:17 PM EST
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Oh please.  My point was never that it should do things like America.  DoDo brought up the US Senate, not me - but feel free to ignore that if it gets in the way of your righteous indignation...

My point was about the very confusing terminology.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 03:44:02 PM EST
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<shrug> We do it to annoy you.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 03:49:19 PM EST
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Why are you guys bringing up America? Honestly - I think it says a lot more about you than it does America.

I first noted the "EU President v. EU Presidency" problem while watching France 24.  It was on Deutsche Welle that I saw a programme about how most Europeans don't even understand the EU and are apathetic about it because they don't even know what it does.  It was on ET that I brought it up.  The example I used was from a Chinese news service.

It's pretty pathetic of you to dismiss what I say on the grounds of my nationality alone.  Jesus effing christ - you are better than that Colman.  And here I was just about to write a diary on Obama's atrocious foreign policy... Guess I wont - I don't want to be accused of American exceptionalism.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 04:07:34 PM EST
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Why call Sweden the President of the EU?

That's the point: they are only the President of the Council of the EU, which is the (very) rough equivalent of the Senate; and pretending to be the Presidents of the EU reflects the Council's power grab. To give you the analogy, it's as if your Governors had taken over the Senate, and made the President and his cabinet yes-men for it.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 03:10:40 PM EST
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(For Europeans: in the above, I don't even attempt to indicate the distinction between the Council and the European Council...)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 03:12:38 PM EST
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Even wikipedia gets that distinction wrong occasionally.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 03:36:27 PM EST
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I mean, honest to god, why not call Sweden the "President of the Council" (if that's what it is - I don't even know anymore)

That is what it is, and that is what it's called.

However, everyone from politicians to journalists to bloggers is too damn lazy to make the distinction.

Also, for president you can read chairperson if it helps.


A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 03:20:14 PM EST
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first there was this in the 1960s and then the member states negotiated a treaty (Lisbon) which gives the Council more influence.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 03:26:04 PM EST
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If I may suggest my own diary The Bigger Picture from February 11th, 2008.

It's not like we don't endlessly talk about this stuff on the blog.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 03:34:42 PM EST
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But you're mad.  

Hey, you're the ones who appoint a temporary High King and then don't even sacrifice him to the gods when he's done. Now that's crazy.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 02:58:22 PM EST
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that the European Union is silly.  I mean, I am certain it all makes sense to you.

The EU is how it is. You learn how it is and then it makes sense.

If they had taught it to you in civics classes in high school it would make sense to you like the US does.

Now, nobody gets taught in European schools, but that's a different issue...

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 03:24:39 PM EST
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From the good old Wikipedia:
In the study of political science the executive branch of government has sole authority and responsibility for the daily administration of the state bureaucracy.
Except that this is not exactly true in most places. I mean, we all like the neat little theory of the separation of powers, but that isn't exactly realised in theory or in practice almost anywhere. In fact, in federal states (such as the US) it is not exactly clear that there is a single executive branch because some of the authority and responsibility rests with state governments and not by delegation of federal power, rather the federal government only has the power that the constitution gives to it.

In particular...

The European Commission (formally the Commission of the European Communities) is the executive branch of the European Union.
is inexact, not only because the EU is not even a state and sovereignty rests with the member states, ultimately, but also because not all areas of EU-level decision-making are under the commission (some are under the council). The Commission really only acts as the executive on matters pertaining to the internal/common market.

And then, the Commission doesn't have only an executive role: it is also the originator of EU legislation (but laws are approved by the council and the parliament jointly).

So, if one were to do political science properly and not in wikipedia's sophomoric style, one would say that the powers of government are conventionally separated into three functions: executive, legislative and judiciary; and then one would have to ask the question of "how are the three functions of government carried out, and by which combination of institutions and agents?".


A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 03:58:03 PM EST
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You could also ask how well the conventional separation of powers actually describers a given real system.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Thu Jul 2nd, 2009 at 04:01:05 PM EST
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Indeed. Coming from the part of the world learly without separation of powers, I had my problems getting the concept of the triumvirate of executive-legislative-judiciary. I recall I couldn't see the point of separating legislative and executive (when a government majority almost always votes for its government, what is it all about?), was unsure where to put prosecutors, and how to call police & military.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Jul 3rd, 2009 at 05:45:06 PM EST
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