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I went to a beer fest yesterday and was talking to a T-shirt seller about the Torchwood series that's just been on. He started complaining about the fact that it's "rubs our noses in the gay thing" (Torchwood is written by Russel T Davies, whose first big series was "Queer as folk").

I was a little taken back and then countered that actually there's quite a bit of hetero bonding in the series as well, if anything there's much more hetero stuff, but cos that's our default we don't notice it. But the gay stuff isn't default, so we notice it. I then ventured that he's just positioning gay relationships into the same everyday context as hetero ones.

All the while thinking that he can't say everybody accepts gay is accepted if he reacts so badly to seeing two guys kiss affectionately.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Jul 12th, 2009 at 11:28:12 AM EST
"rub our noses in the gay thing" is a Very.Strange.Comment

Not to say revealing and hilarious.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 12th, 2009 at 11:35:37 AM EST
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I was just talking to my neighbour about this. She was saying how good she has found it.  There has been a lot of very clever social commentary wrapped up in this series.  Episode 4 which had the Government committee debating which 10% said a huge amount about the kind of values that our society holds and it was a little too real and uncomfortable viewing.  But a very clever way to make a point.

The gay stuff has been much less 'in your face' in this series than in previous.  The 'deviance' was more overt before (probably why they wouldn't show it on BBC 1) but in this series the relationship with Jack and Ianto has been placed in a far more similar context to say Gwen and her bloke.  

I love the fluidity of sexuality and the way it weaves in and out of the storylines through all the series.  If people weren't such judgemental prudes about stuff, they could see this as a vision of a much better society all round. IMO.

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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sun Jul 12th, 2009 at 01:47:46 PM EST
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Love that series.  We've been watching it on BBC America, I think after the fact.  Funny that the average viewer can watch a hetero couple all but f**k on camera without batting an eye, but a gay kiss is "rubbing our noses in it."

Now where are we going and what's with the handbasket?
by budr on Sun Jul 12th, 2009 at 06:15:30 PM EST
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