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While it may wound the pride of "Mainstream Economists" to accept that they need supervision by accountants, that wound is far less significant than the wound to the body politic and the entire world economy, especially their own, that their blindness has inflicted.
From reading some old economists like Veblen, Keynes and Galbraith, I suspect mainstream economists before WWII actually thought of economic agents in accounting terms. When through the work of Kuznets and others the system of national accounts was developed, it was to bring the accounting models of the firm into macroeconomics.

This has also affected financial economics. Last year I was reading a book on the financial markets by a heterodox fund manager and he complained that, with the rise of mathematical finance, people had stopped learning contract law and accounting and just thought mining historical series of market data was enough to do finance.

There's something decidedly strange about the way mathematization and physics envy has led economics (and financial economics) to abandon the study of the entities and processes that make up the economy. This kind of "accounting"/"flow of funds" models of both economic agents and the economy as a whole seem intuitively appealing from a physics point of view. So you get a decidedly unphysical theoretical construction out of physics envy. And then an "engineering" built out of it, with disastrous results.

The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 15th, 2009 at 04:22:47 AM EST
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it was to bring the accounting models of the firm into macroeconomics

If only it did!

On the national balance sheet, there is no National Equity, only a National Debt.

The balance sheet shows the debt: but it doesn't show the productive assets it paid for - because the only "productive" assets are - by definition - in the private sector....

The whole concept of National Debt is insane. While individual countries may - through fortune or force - be able to repay their own National Debt, across the entire system, how can National Debts ever be repaid?

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jul 15th, 2009 at 05:26:32 AM EST
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Can all household and firm debts be paid off at once, either?

The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 15th, 2009 at 05:31:01 AM EST
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Of course not.

Paying off debt destroys money. But in order to repay it, new credit=debt=money has to be created.

"Any economic unit can emit money. The serious problem is to get it accepted" Hyman Minsky

by ChrisCook (cojockathotmaildotcom) on Wed Jul 15th, 2009 at 05:34:54 AM EST
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Not at one time ... they can of course be paid off over time, to the extent that net private sector assets consist of public debt.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 03:38:48 PM EST
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