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by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 09:51:21 AM EST
Allies' stance cited in US gays-in-military debate - Yahoo! News

British policymakers had been wrestling for years with whether to scrap a long-standing ban on gays in the military -- but the pivotal decision was made abroad, by the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France.

The court ruled in 1999 that Britain had violated the rights of four former service members who were dismissed from the military for being gay and lesbian.

King's College professor Christopher Dandeker said there had been significant opposition to the change among military officers. There were predictions -- not borne out -- that unit cohesion would suffer and that large numbers of personnel would leave the military if gays could serve.

Once the ban was lifted, Dandeker said, the opposition dwindled, and the government of Prime Minister Tony Blair embraced the chance to be seen as a beacon of tolerance.

Lord Alan West, former head of the Royal Navy and now Britain's terrorism minister, served before and after the ban was lifted.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 09:54:33 AM EST
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Fran:
the pivotal decision was made abroad, by the European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg, France

Britain was a prime mover and founding signatory of the 1949 Treaty of London that created the Council of Europe, of which the ECHR is the main judicial arm. Since Britain has, for decades of treaty obligation, been part of the ECHR's judicial space, in what sense was this decision made "abroad"?

Fran:

large numbers of personnel would leave the military if gays could serve

Gays have always served in the military. The question was whether the fact was to be officially admitted (rather than sniggerd about in Guardsman jokes).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 03:36:55 PM EST
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I'd actually dispute that version of events.

I remember a few retired military type harrumphing and probably the odd story in the Mail, but by and large there were so many stories from serving soldiers from the Front line of the "yes we have a lot of gay guys serving, and it's no problem .." that the politicians just looked like they were being slow in allowing it.

But you have to remember that this was the time of Section 28, the filth scum tory homophobic law that made life difficult for gay people and fuelled establishment hysteria everywhere.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 04:52:21 PM EST
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"Iran protests a sign of political maturity" | World | Deutsche Welle | 13.07.2009
Nobel peace prize winner and human rights activist Shirin Ebadi visited Deutsche Welle's headquarters where she spoke about protests in Iran, human rights, President Ahmadinejad and the West. 

In 2003, Shirin Ebadi became the first Iranian to be awarded the Nobel Peace Prize. She is a lawyer, who gained entrance to the Faculty of Law at Tehran University in 1965. In 1975 she became the first woman in the history of Iran's justice system, to be made the president of Bench 24 of the Tehran City Court. She then set up her own practice after receiving her lawyer's license in 1992. Ebadi has written several books and many of her articles have been published in Iranian journals.

One of the most talked about topics in the world right now is the disputed Iranian presidential election. Do you believe the vote was fair?

With their street protests, Iranians have shown that they do not accept the announced results of the election which they believe was rigged.

You have also said that a new election will take place. Do you believe th

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 09:58:03 AM EST
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