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People in the countryside told to accept 'many thousands' of new wind turbines - Telegraph
Country residents have been told that they must accept the building of "many thousands" of wind turbines as part of a new green energy strategy.

Ed Miliband, the Energy Secretary, announced yesterday that planning rules would be changed to make it easier for 6,000 onshore wind turbines to be built. Britain's "default position" would be to accept new onshore turbines, he said.

The expansion in wind farms was included in the Government's Renewable Energy Strategy, which aims to cut energy use and carbon dioxide emissions, and reduce Britain's dependence on fossil fuels.

by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 01:55:19 PM EST
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Ugh.

Launching large industrial projects never works well without the support of the locals. The way Miliband (or the Telegraph?) frames it makes me think of Yucca Mountain. That is NOT the way to run things.

If you just explain the pros of accepting wind power parks or nuclear waste facilites, communities are bound to fight over who gets them. If you try to impose them on people in a top-down process people will fight them no matter the pros, as they should.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 03:26:36 PM EST
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The UK is, to be professional, kinda fucked up. Contrast with Germany, where a new law gives local entities a greater share of the pie. (Not certain it's passed yet, but it's agreed.)

Though windparks hardly qualify as national sacrifice areas.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 03:33:16 PM EST
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Though windparks hardly qualify as national sacrifice areas.

That depends on local opinion. Some people would certainly consider nuclear waste facilities national sacrifce areas. But not for example in Sweden or South Korea where communties are fighting tooth and nail for them and they generally have a 70-80 % popular support , while at the same time they might fight against wind parks just as vehemently. It's up to the locals, always, when you have large infrastructure projects.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 03:53:22 PM EST
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for the umpteenth time, the worst conceivable accident at a windpark is miniscule compared to potential leakage of radioactivity.

Would that your world of ceramic bubbles without risk for 10,000 years was as miniscule. (In other words, i don't want to hear about Sweden's unbelievably safe storage methods, unless you're willing to write a book about the entire supply chain)

Just because Burrough's insects masquerading as citizens clamor for something doesn't corelate to value.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin

by Crazy Horse on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 04:16:50 PM EST
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There are more things to take into account than infinitely small risks of leakage. And while I didn't write a book, I did write an article.

Personally I'd much rather live next to the spent fuel storage than a wind farm (which is exactly what's going to happen as they're building that site in my backyard but won't build any windfarms) but I understand perfectly well if other people feel the opposite way. The important thing is listening to the locals so no community have unwanted things imposed upon them.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 04:32:16 PM EST
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Alright Crazy Horse. Time to come clean. Tell us about how much recycling the paint on those blades cost after decommissioning. I bet a lot of that needs some pretty strong chemicals that you would prefer to hide.

And, I suppose that you will try to tell us that 100% of the copper in the windings will be recycled. Ha! 100%???? As if anything is ever 100%.

While you have us swimming in solvents and copper dust, I'll have you know that nuclear materials are natural products, some even on the periodic table fer chissake. Radiation is everywhere. The sun's energy is radiation. You don't want to put that down in some tunnel for 10 billion years, do you?

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Fri Jul 17th, 2009 at 01:21:28 PM EST
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Yes, but the way the system works in the UK, unless something is forced, nothing will happen.

somebody will always object, one way or another. Anything the Govt wants done has to be bulldozed through. So this story in the Telegraph reflects exactly how any project happens while describing the paper's attitude towards it.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 04:40:43 PM EST
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Why is your system working that way?

Can't you just bring all the local communities, companies, politicians, labour unions and NGO's together, sit down and sing kumbayah? Consensus, my friends, consensus. ;)

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 04:44:21 PM EST
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It's the UK.

If we wanted consensus, we'd be in Europe.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Thu Jul 16th, 2009 at 08:38:52 PM EST
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