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It's pretty staggering. It's not just the aggregated professionalism of what they're doing, it's the fact that it amounts to a Distributed Spam Attack that requires considerable effort to repel. I'm not sure there are too many sites with the talent necessary to beat this crap back.

This will get worse, because it's being touted as a revenue stream. But it's still grafitti spam / hacking/ DDOS, just wrapped in a shiny bullshit wrapper.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 04:31:21 PM EST
it amounts to a Distributed Spam Attack that requires considerable effort to repel. I'm not sure there are too many sites with the talent necessary to beat this crap back.

IMHO if it had not been for someone we'd probably still be working in shifts. Well, probably with ceebs and linca we'd have been able to come up with a technical patch but I suspect it would have taken much longer.

The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 04:39:54 PM EST
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No CAPTCHA plugins for Scoop? They seem to defeat most spam, as far as I can tell by the blogs that use them.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 04:42:25 PM EST
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I don't know, but someone wrote a captcha patch from scratch.

The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 05:03:14 PM EST
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I'll be damned.

If someone's in Paris, I'll buy her a beer.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 05:16:25 PM EST
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Not sure there's much in the way of Scoop plug-ins - of any kind.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 15th, 2009 at 11:00:03 AM EST
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It's Amway for netizens. I wonder when $cientology will discover it.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 04:50:31 PM EST
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$cientology probably knows all about it.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 15th, 2009 at 11:28:27 AM EST
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What I wondered about is if they started recruiting there, like they do on the sidelines of multilevel marketing organisations. (The ex-friend of mine sucked up by them went through two multilevel marketers before, and met the proselytizers at events organized by both.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 15th, 2009 at 12:12:06 PM EST
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The IM wizards say what they are doing is not MLM, or pyramid sales. Somehow they feel they have to defend against that accusation, I don't know why...

Probably because that's exactly what it looks like?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Jul 15th, 2009 at 03:47:30 PM EST
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This is very interesting to me because I overheard someone at dinner this weekend talking about their little shop doing very well in internet sales because they now had people who could get their website to come up first or second in websearches of certain key terms.  I figured there had to be tricks involved, but I've never heard many of these terms before--black hat, white hat, etc.  It makes sense that once you know the logic of the search engines that you could game the system.  When you consider that those in, say, the top three spots are going to get all the traffic and make serious money, potentially, there is huge incentive to do anything and everything to get your website into one of those top spots.

The potential for damage to sites like ET by hordes burning down the forests to get the beach seems pretty significant.

It may really limit the use of the web in the future.  Or, create the need for castles and moats where smaller "boutique" blogs can gain protection and share the services of a swat team as seems to exist here at ET, to beat back these disturbers.

As I think of it, already academia and big business have IT departments that are dealing with this stuff day in and day out.

But apparently these tricks work, and there is a lot of money to be made, so it is not going to stop any time soon, and will probably just get more sophisticated.  As will the defenses.

by jjellin on Wed Jul 15th, 2009 at 08:56:57 AM EST
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