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If paragraph 2 is what you want to say, then say it.

What you said was a deliberately provocative short-cut of the kind that doesn't produce dialogue. And it can be seen as flame-baiting, troll-baiting, trouble-making - I don't care what it's called, but please stop it.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sat Jul 18th, 2009 at 06:44:41 PM EST
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Why in the world would anyone look negatively upon the history of the Habsburgs or, even more so, upon the Roman Catholic Popes? The Economist magazine titles its section on the EU, "Charlemange" after all, and although we are to left of that periodical here, it's not supposed to be a negative.   That anyone would take what I said as provocative might say a lot more about the prejudices of this community than I hope it does. It simply never occurred to me that anyone here is actually embarrassed by those episodes of European history, instead of animated by it.  But I'll keep it in mind then for the future.  
by santiago on Sat Jul 18th, 2009 at 10:43:55 PM EST
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Keep in mind for the future that we don't need concern trolls.

I've no more time to waste on your disruptive behaviour.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Jul 19th, 2009 at 01:58:51 AM EST
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on your diaries or comments then.  This is what I was responding to:  

Two reasons - to me he is a hypocrit and war criminal.

Hope that is not hyperbol - at least it doesn't feel like to me. :-)

A half-serious, half-playful response to a half serious comment.  I didn't realize that ET was just an anti-Blair mosh pit, with no sense of humor at all regarding European politics.  

 

by santiago on Mon Jul 20th, 2009 at 12:01:32 AM EST
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hah

The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 20th, 2009 at 01:53:56 AM EST
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The EU pretends to be a post-Enlightenment project, and you insist on saying it's an ancien régime project. Maybe you want to develop that point (that the EU is an ancien régime structure as opposed to a liberal democratic structure) in a diary so we can shoot it down properly.

The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jul 19th, 2009 at 09:03:14 AM EST
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The EU pretends to be a post-Enlightenment project, and you insist on saying it's an ancien régime project.

Ironically, Chomsky examines these very narratives --"post-Enlightment" and "ancien régime"-- in Hegemony or Survival (of Yurp and the USA since, oh, 1900). I happen to be in my first reading of it at the moment.

Next is Dallek's Nixon and Kissinger. hehehe.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jul 21st, 2009 at 08:44:10 AM EST
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Santiago, please see the New User Guide for an explanation of ratings on ET.

Specifically:

Such ratings should never be used to indicate that you disagree with the comment.

Thank you.

by Sassafras on Mon Jul 20th, 2009 at 03:50:41 AM EST
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I don't use it to mark disagreement with a comment.  I used it note that I consider the comment insulting and disruptive to my own honest participation in afew's dialogue.
by santiago on Mon Jul 20th, 2009 at 02:02:40 PM EST
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santiago:
It simply never occurred to me that anyone here is actually embarrassed by those episodes of European history, instead of animated by it.

hilarious...

charlemange sounds like a dog's skin infection.

oh, yes, animated is exactly the word one might use to describe reacting to the mercenary, bloodthirsty, creepily underhanded, morally reprehensible machinations of the vatican through european history.
'embarrassed' is very mild... may i suggest 'totally disgusted' as more appropriate?

very droll, you wag, you!

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jul 21st, 2009 at 01:56:10 PM EST
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