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by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 11:30:56 AM EST
CNNMoney.com Market Report - Jul. 6, 2009

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Stocks tumbled Monday morning, as weakness in overseas markets and tumbling oil prices added to concerns about the length of the recession.

The Dow Jones industrial average (INDU) fell 70 points, or 0.9%, over an hour into the session. The S&P 500 (SPX) index lost 10 points, or 1.1%, and the Nasdaq (COMP) fell 26 points, or 1.4%.

Stocks slipped Thursday in the last session of a holiday-shortened trading week after a weaker-than-expected jobs report fueled worries about the economy. All financial markets were closed Friday for the Independence Day weekend.

Stocks rallied for three months, with the S&P 500 gaining 40%, on bets that the economy is closer to stabilizing. But stocks have drifted lower in the last three weeks on concerns that the run up was too much, too soon.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 11:52:02 AM EST
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Telegraph: US lurching towards 'debt explosion' with long-term interest rates on course to double

The US economy is lurching towards crisis with long-term interest rates on course to double, crippling the country's ability to pay its debts and potentially plunging it into another recession, according to a study by the US's own central bank

n a 2003 paper, Thomas Laubach, the US Federal Reserve's senior economist, calculated the impact on long-term interest rates of rising fiscal deficits and soaring national debt. Applying his assumptions to the recent spike in the US fiscal deficit and national debt, long-term interests rates will double from their current 3.5pc.

The impact would be devastating by making it punitively expensive to finance national borrowings and leading to what Tim Congdon, founder of Lombard Street Research, called a "debt explosion". Mr Laubach's study has implications for the UK, too, as public debt is soaring. A US crisis would have implications for the rest of the world, in any case.

[Torygraph Alert]

by Sassafras on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 12:43:37 PM EST
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3.5% is punitively expensive???

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 01:04:09 PM EST
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Staggering isn't it ? I believe their gas prices are truly horrid as well.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 05:15:04 PM EST
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double from their current 3.5pc

Twice 3,5% makes 7%.

by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 05:46:05 PM EST
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Right, okay.

I'll believe that the US can have 7% long-term interest rates when I see it.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:40:46 AM EST
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They're not saying that 3.5 % is punitively expensive, but that 7 % is.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 05:48:30 PM EST
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well, it would double the yearly interest bill from roughly 350 billion to 700 billion. A year ago, 350 billion was pretty close to what the largest the budget deficit had ever been...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:38:52 AM EST
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MEND, Relentless | Reuters | 6 July 2009

Nigeria's main militant group said on Monday it had sabotaged a Chevron oil facility and seized a chemical tanker and six crew members, the latest in a string of attacks in Africa's biggest energy producer.

The Movement for the Emancipation of the Niger Delta (MEND) said it attacked Chevron's Okan manifold late on Sunday in the southern Delta state, hours after it sabotaged an oil well head operated by Royal Dutch Shell.

It was not immediately possible to independently verify the statement. U.S. oil firm Chevron, which halted swamp operations in Delta state following attacks on its pipelines in May, said it was investigating the report.

Chevron, Shell and Italian energy firm Agip have cut output by around 273,000 barrels per day in the last six weeks following the latest campaign of militant violence....

MEND also said on Monday it seized a chemical tanker and six crew members off the coast of Escravos in the Niger Delta. It said three of the hostages were from Russia, two from the Philippines and one from India.

"Six crew members from the chemical tanker Siehem Peace was seized about 20 nautical miles from Escravos on Sunday ... and will be held until further notice," said MEND, who threatened further offshore attacks.



Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 08:29:03 PM EST
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Eves Smith has been digging for bodies from the ongoing crash and posted her own hypothesizes as to how the bad paper got pedaled, etc.  She has asked her readers for help and got it in spades from Entirely.  A Michael Lewis article on AIG got her asking questions.  Interesting reading.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 10:34:05 PM EST
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Recession may get worse, Gordon Brown warns world leaders
The worst of the recession may be yet to come and world leaders are in danger of hampering the recovery, Gordon Brown will say today.

As he begins a week of meetings with world leaders, the Prime Minister will strike an unexpectedly gloomy note about the prospects of an upturn and will demand that fellow heads of government "sound a second-wake up call for the world economy".

Soaring oil prices, rising 75 per cent this year, protectionist measures contributing to a 10 per cent drop in trade and the failure of banks to start lending again could all put the recovery at risk, according to Downing Street.

The remarks are a departure from Mr Brown's usual rhetoric. His forecast that the British economy will emerge from recession by the end of the year is expected to form the basis of Labour's general election campaign. Downing Street sources denied that the remarks were a change, saying that he had not spoken about the international economy for a while.


Brown seems firmly in the camp of the two handed economists.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 11:03:23 PM EST
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BBC NEWS | Business | Worst of the recession 'is over'

The worst of the UK's recession is over, according to the British Chambers of Commerce (BCC) business group, but talk of a recovery is premature.

Its report, based on a survey of 5,600 companies, found there had been "welcome progress" in confidence levels between April and June.

But the BCC is still predicting that unemployment will reach 3.2 million by the middle of 2010.

It warned that the increase in confidence was fragile.

It's good to see 'confidence' standing in for GDP. And in fact...

"Our economy is based on confidence, and wealth-creating businesses need to know they will be given the freedom and flexibility to drive the UK out of recession and into a sustainable recovery."

He added that the proposed increase in National Insurance contributions in 2011 was a "tax on jobs" which should be scrapped.

He also called for banks to continue lending and said that businesses expect the government to sort out "the appalling state of the public finances".

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:14:53 AM EST
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"Our economy is based on confidence"

Well, it certainly is NOT based on solvency, but lets not talk about all of that debt.
"...wealth-creating businesses need to know they will be given the freedom and flexibility to drive the UK out of recession and into a sustainable recovery."

Surely he is including The City at the top of the list of "wealth-creating businesses".

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 09:50:12 AM EST
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America's Fiscal Train Wreck

While Edward Harrison still believes that a technical recovery will occur Q4-Q1 he remains concerned about the downside risks, cites Brown's message today in France, (cited above), and faults the Obama Administration for spending their political capital bailing out big banks, for putting together a weak stimulus and for now having no bullets left.  He believes that, in order to keep deflation at bay, additional stimulus will be required.  Therein lies the rub.

The problem is the U.S. government budget deficit. In April, in a post called "The Cult of Zero Imbalances," Marshall Auerback made the case for stimulus, aware of the downside risks for the dollar and bond prices because of that deficit. Yes, there are risks for America associated with deficit-inducing stimulus in the short-term, but they can be mitigated if the Obama Administration actually showed a plan to reduce the longer-term deficit.  But, as David Leonhardt has argued, Obama's team has no deficit reduction plan whatsoever.

So now we must contemplate America's fiscal train wreck; and that is exactly what Richard Berner at Morgan Stanley is doing.  Here is an excerpt of his research note published today.

America's long-awaited fiscal train wreck is now underway.  Depending on policy actions taken now and over the next few years, federal deficits will likely average as much as 6% of GDP through 2019, contributing to a jump in debt held by the public to as high as 82% of GDP by then - a doubling over the next decade.  Worse, barring aggressive policy actions, deficits and debt will rise even more sharply thereafter as entitlement spending accelerates relative to GDP.  Keeping entitlement promises would require unsustainable borrowing, taxes or both, severely testing the credibility of our policies and hurting our long-term ability to finance investment and sustain growth.  And soaring debt will force up real interest rates, reducing capital and productivity and boosting debt service.  Not only will those factors steadily lower our standard of living, but they will imperil economic and financial stability.

Though doomsayers have been predicting disaster from deficits without those disasters materializing, Harrison begs to differ.

Well, they do matter.  Eventually, the day of reckoning will come.  Berner puts it this way.

Some are concerned that our reckless fiscal policy will trigger a downgrade of the US sovereign debt rating, making the financing of our burgeoning deficits more difficult.  While worries that the US will default on its debt are illogical, global investors and officials are concerned about the credibility and the sustainability of our fiscal policies.  So am I.  They fear that we will adopt policies that will undermine the dollar and the domestic value of dollar-denominated assets through a combination of risk premiums and inflation.  I worry about that too, although such policies probably would be accidental rather than deliberate.  As a result, interest rates may have to rise significantly to compensate investors, including reserve portfolio managers and sovereign wealth funds, for such dangers.  While the dollar will for now retain its reserve-currency status, such concerns put it at risk.


 

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jul 6th, 2009 at 11:37:41 PM EST
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The man from Morgan Stanley:
Not only will those factors steadily lower our standard of living, but they will imperil economic and financial stability.

Which hasn't happened so far.

Does 'entitlement spending' include bank bailouts, or does it mean money spent on poor people?

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:19:43 AM EST
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The crisis is an outlier. What these people are worried is the growth rate in the upward phase of the next bubblebusiness cycle.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:51:07 AM EST
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Pretty big outlier though.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 09:42:02 AM EST
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That's why it's an outlier.

If it were just a 3 sigma move it wouldn't be an outlier.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 09:45:42 AM EST
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Altec Corporation was an early spin-off of the Bell System and was long the premier manufacturer of audio equipment in the US.  It borrowed and issued stock and sold bonds for years.  Then it was bought by Ling-Tempco-Vought, a 70s conglomerate.  After a few years LTV fitted Altec with as much debt as it could conceivably carry, pocketed the proceeds and spun Altec off.  It took several years but Altec was eventually crushed by the debt.  One could say that the debt provided by LTV was an outlier, but it still sucked the life out of the company.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 09:59:46 AM EST
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ARGeezer:
One could say that the debt provided by LTV was an outlier, but it still sucked the life out of the company.
I am on record as saying that outliers should not be rejected.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 11:13:47 AM EST
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that's so last week tbg!

pre michael jackson even.

the revolution didn't happen, so they got right back into doing the only thing they know how to do.

termites don't think, architectural integrity and structural strength are not their thing...

unless the crowds have made it up to the 50th floor with blazing pitchforks these clowns run the circus.

risk is heroin to them

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 08:08:53 AM EST
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