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A funeral has been held for the two policemen killed by a car bomb on the Spanish island of Majorca on Thursday.

The service, in the Majorcan capital Palma, was attended by Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero and members of the royal family.

The attack was the second in 48 hours. Both have been blamed on the Basque separatist group, Eta.

Also on Friday, police made a public appeal for help in tracing six people they believed to be Eta members.

A minute's silence was also held across Spain in memory of the dead.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 1st, 2009 at 01:06:52 PM EST
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Return of Eta's summer bomb campaigns puts fear into tourists - Europe, World - The Independent

When Eta took up arms 50 years ago in pursuit of an independent Basque homeland, Spain was an international pariah in the grip of Franco's dictatorship, the Basque language was banned and political parties were illegal.

Many considered it reasonable, even inevitable, that Basque political opposition should take the form of armed attacks on military targets: Eta's first armed action was the derailment of a troop train near Bilbao.

Exactly half a century on, Spain is a sturdy democracy and the Basque country enjoys more autonomy than any other region in Europe, but for the armed separatists little has changed. They still want to be free of Spain and to achieve full independence.



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by In Wales (inwales aaat eurotrib.com) on Sat Aug 1st, 2009 at 01:09:02 PM EST
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Maybe spain shoudl give these people what they want, complete economic autonomy and borders. Generously assist all who feel compelled to leave to find work and settlement in civilisation and then leave the rest to rot. They want independence, let 'em have it, both barrels for good and ill.

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by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 at 08:00:00 AM EST
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Who (and how many) are "these people" you speak of, and what do they want? And what borders do you speak of, precisely?

You are obviously not aware that

  1. the current Basque government belongs to the Socialist Party, which is not nationalist let alone independentist. It is a minority government supported by the People's Party which is not even federalist.
  2. at most 10-15% of the vote in Basque elections supports openly independentist parties. The Basque Nationalist Party (having a plurality in the Basque parliament) is conveniently ambiguous.
  3. There is no single definition of the Basque borders and the wider the definition the lower the popular support for independence within the borders.
  4. There are constant calls from nationalist and independentist circles, including former (and founding!) ETA members, for ETA to give up "armed struggle". Aralar, an independentist party which renounces violence, is eating ETA's electoral lunch.

Not being aware of any of these things does not prevent you from daring to have an opinion on how to "solve" the problem.

Now, if I were King (heh) I would have a referendum on independence, but that's just me. It probably wouldn't pass.

The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 at 09:10:18 AM EST
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now, now.

you're mistaking my intent in putting such a proposal forward. I seek not to praise but to kill. I believe that if you haven't stopped these people in 50 years, it's quite unlikely that you ever will. So rather than keep doing what you've been doing and watch it fail, how about trying something else ? Something that will fail for the other side instead.

I appreciate that it's very difficult because, even more than the IRA, ETA seem wedded to a romantic vision of violent strugggle simultaneously free of achievable objectives and the ability to compromise. This is why I think the banning of basque nationalist parties, even those connected to armed struggle has been a mistake. Having those discussions about what is acceptable, what can be achieved, what might be hoped for, allows others less romantically inclined to start asking hard questions, which leads to a different level of political engagement. Right now these discussions are mostly happening in underground bars amongst the believers but, I imagine, only in a government approved manner with the media for the rest of the population.

I don't know what might work. Really, despite your response, I'm not suggesting that I know. I'm just saying that what has been done for the last 50 years hasn't worked. Try something far worse than resistance, something truly horrendous : Give them what they want. they will never recover.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 at 09:35:26 AM EST
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This is why I think the banning of basque nationalist parties, even those connected to armed struggle has been a mistake.

Um, the "Basque Nationalist Party" has been in power for the last 30 years in the Basque Regional Government and still holds the largest parliamentary group in the regional parliament. The only party that has been banned (and I personally disagree with that) is ETA's political arm. Like I said, Aralar is full of former ETA members who now renounce violence, and they are allowed to contest elections and hold office.

Give them what they want. they will never recover.

There is not a they to give it to.

Plus, unlike in Northern Ireland, "they" are a small minority.

The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 at 09:44:22 AM EST
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I think we have now fully established something I never claimed; I do not know the details of this issue.

Nevertheless, the alternative to doing something different is to keep doing that which has not worked up to now. I suggested an alternate solution that had the distinction of never having been tried.

Actually the IRA, Sinn Fein nationalist community in N Ireland is pretty small too. Just as their nationalist protestant opponents are a tiny minority. I have always complained that the absence of secular British political organisations in N Ireland has denied the majority of people of Ulster a non-denominational choice.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 at 10:58:43 AM EST
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To what extent has "it" "not worked" up to now? What would you consider "working"? And what makes you think that only one thing has been tried consistently for 50 years? What would be that one thing, you reckon?

The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 at 11:20:34 AM EST
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SDLP. Alliance.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 at 11:36:53 AM EST
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Having those discussions about what is acceptable, what can be achieved, what might be hoped for, allows others less romantically inclined to start asking hard questions, which leads to a different level of political engagement. Right now these discussions are mostly happening in underground bars amongst the believers but, I imagine, only in a government approved manner with the media for the rest of the population.

Oh, they happen quite in the open, I can assure you.

The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Aug 2nd, 2009 at 10:00:56 AM EST
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