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SHHHRAAAAAAAAAAAGGY!!! | CNBC | 7 July 2009

IOU recipients are beginning to trade them like currency [sic], forcing the California state treasurer's office to issue guidelines if they are sold through eBay (EBAY), Craigslist or other means.

California's treasurer is telling recipients of the IOUs that if they sell them to third parties, they will be redeemed by the state treasurer's office only if accompanied by a notarized bill of sale signed by their listed payee.

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Speculation is rising over whether California's tax-exempt IOUs, technically registered warrants [as opposed to bill of exchange (indemnity or payment)*?], can be bought, sold and traded.

The Securities and Exchange Commission must first determine if the IOUs are securities [certificate of ownership or beneficial interest?] to regulate them, said Ernesto Lanza, general counsel to the Municipal Securities Rulemaking Board, adding that the board was not working directly with the commission on that decision.

"It looks like it has all the hallmarks of a security," Lanza told Reuters. "If they are securities, I think they're pretty clearly municipal securities."

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*bill of exchange, an ancient American cheque:"Exchange in relation to barter not of goods but of the value of goods, a payment in one place being exchanged for a payment in another place. The popular statement of the theory of exchange represents four principals involved in two transactions. A and B are two persons residing in one place different from the cash from C, so that, assuming the two transactions to be of equal value, one piece of paper satisfies the four parties to these two transactions, and the trouble, expense and risk of sending money from both places are avoided. The piece of paper which performs the service may be a telegraphic order, cheque or bill of exchange."

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by Cat on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:50:01 PM EST
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Second thought: I guess, if these things carry a maturity date and interest rate, I'd call 'em debentures. Certainly not warrants. Clearly distributed as payment plus consideration for services and goods rendered to teh CA.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:01:35 PM EST
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if they can't be sold, spent or traded without lawyerly oversight, I'd call them a scam.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:14:55 PM EST
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If they can be sold to anyone for cucs or cash--EUR,USD,GBP,YEN--I call that damn fortunate for the bearer  :)

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:33:49 PM EST
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How many cucumbers is a lawyer worth?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:45:06 PM EST
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mmmm, one per week?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:52:21 PM EST
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At that rate, you can have my cucumbers when you pry them from my cold, dead, drunken hands.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 08:28:55 AM EST
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California's treasurer is telling recipients of the IOUs that if they sell them to third parties, they will be redeemed by the state treasurer's office only if accompanied by a notarized bill of sale signed by their listed payee.

You've got to be kidding me.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:04:18 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:29:46 PM EST
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If they are like securities, shouldn't we already have a derivates market for them?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:37:14 PM EST
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