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Ruh Roh, Shaggy | WSJ | 7 July 2009

A group of the biggest U.S. banks said they would stop accepting California's IOUs on Friday, adding pressure on the state to close its $26.3 billion annual budget gap....

[I]f California continues to issue the IOUs, creditors will be forced to hold on to them until they mature on Oct. 2, or find other banks to honor them. When the IOUs mature, holders will be paid back directly by the state at an annual 3.75% interest rate. Some banks might also work with creditors to come up with an interim solution, such as extending them a line of credit [BWAHAHAHA], said Beth Mills, a California Bankers Association spokeswoman....

The group of banks included Bank of America Corp., Citigroup Inc., Wells Fargo & Co. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co., among others. The banks had previously committed to accepting state IOUs as payment. California plans to issue more than $3 billion of IOUs in July.

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by Cat on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:29:56 PM EST
MarketTrustee:
[I]f California continues to issue the IOUs, creditors will be forced to hold on to them until they mature on Oct. 2, or find other banks to honor them.
Or they can use them to pay taxes and administrative fees to the State of California, surely?

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:39:37 PM EST
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people don't pay taxes in California - that's the problem to start with!

:)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:57:14 PM EST
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They don't pay property taxes.

Proles do pay state income tax, sales tax...

The problem is every tax has had its revenue earmarked for particular purposes so there's no money in the general fund.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 12:58:36 PM EST
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That's direct democracy for ya...

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 01:47:10 PM EST
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Echoing Starvid (and stealing from Bill Maher), the problems are numerous.  One major problem is direct democracy -- a state of children voting for initiatives that only come in two forms: (1) Spend Lots of Money on Cool Stuff and (2) Don't Raise My Taxes.

"Could you sign this petition to make earthquakes illegal?  They're really starting to bother me."

Having a state constitution that requires a supermajority to pass a budget is also insane.  Even the Senate isn't that fucked up.

And then there is, of course, the property tax regime.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:29:57 PM EST
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Drew J Jones:
initiatives that only come in two forms: (1) Spend Lots of Money on Cool Stuff and (2) Don't Raise My Taxes.
And (3) Okay, you can raise my taxes, but only if you earmark the revenues for the particular kind of Cool Stuff that's fashionable right this minute.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 05:59:52 AM EST
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But the tax raising gets done by the legislature, not the referenda, doesn't it?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 08:27:32 AM EST
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Often the tax raise goes to a referendum and the initiative includes the earmark as a sweetener.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 08:28:31 AM EST
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Ah, ok.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 08:30:07 AM EST
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In theory, I'm not sure. But I doubt that the state would dare to refuse them - they might have a revolt on their hands....
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 04:48:58 PM EST
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The State of California is missing a golden opportunity for a (successful) experiment in local currency.

Instead, they're alienating everyone and likely failing at their fiscal goals.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 06:01:26 AM EST
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Uh... why?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:50:42 AM EST
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Creditors (big banks) have already said they won't accept the IOUs...

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:52:39 AM EST
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Of course they won't.

Breaking the Money Monopoly would undercut one of their major pillars of dominance.  

by ATinNM on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 10:57:14 AM EST
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But the State of California is allegedly making the IOUs more illiquid than they need to be by adding a "notarization" hurdle to transfer of IOUs.

They're shooting themselves in the foot by doing that because (never mind the big banks) people, by design, can't find a use for those IOUs before maturity.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:00:50 AM EST
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I can think of five reasons:

  1.  The State Controller's Office didn't think it through

  2.  A secondary market establishes a "Market Price" and should (when?) the face value falls the state would have to increase the interest rate

  3.  There are some fairly arcane laws regarding who can issue money and this is a way to get around them

  4.  Given their experience with electric deregulation the state is trying to avoid Goldman Sachs, or whoever, from buying these things up, and pulling some kind of scam

  5.  Something else ;-)
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by ATinNM on Thu Jul 9th, 2009 at 11:17:56 AM EST
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SHHHRAAAAAAAAAAAGGY!!! | CNBC | 7 July 2009

IOU recipients are beginning to trade them like currency [sic], forcing the California state treasurer's office to issue guidelines if they are sold through eBay (EBAY), Craigslist or other means.

California's treasurer is telling recipients of the IOUs that if they sell them to third parties, they will be redeemed by the state treasurer's office only if accompanied by a notarized bill of sale signed by their listed payee.

taxalert.Copythat?taxalert. ht Mish

Speculation is rising over whether California's tax-exempt IOUs, technically registered warrants [as opposed to bill of exchange (indemnity or payment)*?], can be bought, sold and traded.

The Securities and Exchange Commission must first determine if the IOUs are securities [certificate of ownership or beneficial interest?] to regulate them, said Ernesto Lanza, general counsel to the Municipal Securities Rulemaking Board, adding that the board was not working directly with the commission on that decision.

"It looks like it has all the hallmarks of a security," Lanza told Reuters. "If they are securities, I think they're pretty clearly municipal securities."

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*bill of exchange, an ancient American cheque:"Exchange in relation to barter not of goods but of the value of goods, a payment in one place being exchanged for a payment in another place. The popular statement of the theory of exchange represents four principals involved in two transactions. A and B are two persons residing in one place different from the cash from C, so that, assuming the two transactions to be of equal value, one piece of paper satisfies the four parties to these two transactions, and the trouble, expense and risk of sending money from both places are avoided. The piece of paper which performs the service may be a telegraphic order, cheque or bill of exchange."

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 05:50:01 PM EST
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Second thought: I guess, if these things carry a maturity date and interest rate, I'd call 'em debentures. Certainly not warrants. Clearly distributed as payment plus consideration for services and goods rendered to teh CA.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:01:35 PM EST
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if they can't be sold, spent or traded without lawyerly oversight, I'd call them a scam.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:14:55 PM EST
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If they can be sold to anyone for cucs or cash--EUR,USD,GBP,YEN--I call that damn fortunate for the bearer  :)

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:33:49 PM EST
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How many cucumbers is a lawyer worth?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:45:06 PM EST
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mmmm, one per week?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:52:21 PM EST
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At that rate, you can have my cucumbers when you pry them from my cold, dead, drunken hands.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 08:28:55 AM EST
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California's treasurer is telling recipients of the IOUs that if they sell them to third parties, they will be redeemed by the state treasurer's office only if accompanied by a notarized bill of sale signed by their listed payee.

You've got to be kidding me.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:04:18 PM EST
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Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
by Cat on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:29:46 PM EST
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If they are like securities, shouldn't we already have a derivates market for them?
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 7th, 2009 at 06:37:14 PM EST
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