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After a first reading, the Lithuanian parliament has passed amendments to the penal code criminalising the promotion of same-sex relationships. "If the amendments get through the two remaining readings, homosexuals will face penalties ranging from forced labour through to fines and detention," reports Polish daily Dziennik. Penalties for "gay agitation" would apply to both individuals and organisations. The opposition conservative and eurosceptic party Order and Justice (TiT) is agitating for a minimum fine set at €325, the maximum €1,750. A couple of months ago the Lithuanian right sought to push through parliament a bill that equated homosexuality with zoophilia and necrophilia, providing not only fines but also prison sentences for speaking favourably about gay tendencies.
by Fran (fran at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 02:14:10 PM EST
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It's disgusting, but somewhat typical of ex-soviet bloc countries. There must be some relationship between highly militarised nationalist states which feature considerable lionising of the male physique and a consequent terror of gayness

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 05:22:29 PM EST
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I thinks it's something to do with 1) the Church and 2) not being part of the whole collective psyche thing that experienced Stonewall, etc.

Considerable lionising of the male physique?  What's more gay than that?  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 05:52:09 PM EST
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I suspect that for many former Soviet states the dissolution of the Soviet Union presented an opportunity for large segments of the population to revert to pre-Soviet social and religious norms, and that these norms turned out to have been frozen by suppression since the outbreak of WW II.  So, for many in these countries, on social issues, it is as though the last three quarters of a century never happened.  Free at last--to be the homophobic, misogynist folk they had always wanted to be.  

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jul 13th, 2009 at 08:24:57 PM EST
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Not all of them... remember Sparta?

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 03:50:33 AM EST
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Israel doesn't seem to have any problem with gays in the military. Maybe you should refine it to "highly militarised nationalist states which don't really need the military", so that they can afford to kick gays out. Any figures for whether gays were more tolerated in the U.S. military when they had conscription? I remember (from the early 80s) fellow students describing  the tricks people used in the U.S. to try to convince the army that they were gay...
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 05:36:32 AM EST
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Even as I wrote that the exceptions were tumbling out. Shoulda put my [Helen's weak generalisation alert] on it.

But nevertheless, the Soviet era nationalist artwork did venerate a certain uber masculinity where that message could be seriously adopted, subverted and undermined by any acceptance of gayness.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Tue Jul 14th, 2009 at 09:21:01 AM EST
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