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The Associated Press: Obama praises ceremonial leader

President Barack Obama heaped lavish praise on Italy's largely ceremonial president Wednesday, lauding his "integrity" and describing him as a "great leader."

It might sound like the standard compliments a visitor might make after being hosted in the splendor of Renaissance-era Quirinal Palace. But in a country whose real leader, Premier Silvio Berlusconi, is under fire from a sex scandal, the words had a special ring.

Even if Obama did not intend any snub of Berlusconi, the embattled premier has been under a barrage of attacks over his moral fitness to lead Italy and become a flashpoint for criticism of preparations for a summit of world leaders in earthquake-stricken L'Aquila.



A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 11:55:41 AM EST
de Gondi:
The U.S. no longer "needs" a lobotomized berlusconian Italy. ...

...

Berlusconi must go. He's no longer useful. The world has other priorities. He's decrepit. Europe needs another Italy, certainly not this charade of sleazy racists and wannabe fascists.

Italy is in dire need of a political earthquake.



A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 12:00:49 PM EST
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This is deeply embarrassing:  I didn't know Italy had a President.  

A bit of Googling reveals Germany also has a President.  Great Britain does not.  Spain, I can't tell.

Wow.  I feel like I just failed 5th grade.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 12:04:31 PM EST
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poemless:
Spain, I can't tell
Spain, like Britain, is a monarchy, therefore it has a King and not a President. However, in Spanish usage, the "prime minister" is the "president of the government" in opposition to the "president of the republic" when Spain was one.

In Italy, Napolitano is il Presidente della Repubblica and Berlisconi is il Presidente del Consiglio (Chairman of the Council [of ministers]).

See wikipedia: Head of state

Head of state is the generic term for the individual or collective office that serves as the chief public representative of a monarchy, republic, federation, commonwealth or other kind of state. His or her role generally includes personifying the continuity and legitimacy of the state and exercising the political powers, functions and duties granted to the head of state in the country's constitution and laws. In nation states the head of state is often thought of as the official "leader" of the nation.
Wikipedia Head of government
Head of government is the chief officer of the executive branch of a government, often presiding over a cabinet. In a parliamentary system, the head of government is often styled Prime Minister, President of the Government, Premier, etc. In presidential republics or monarchies, the head of government may be the same person as the head of state, who is often called respectively a president or a monarch.
And DoDo's European countries' confusing political systems... (May 11th, 2006)
In afew's Villepin a cinder, Chirac toast? diary, a discussion developed on the arcane complexities of the French and other representative democracies. I thought, why not illustrate it all with silly little graphs. Jérôme likes graphs, so now I'll turn this a story - with new, slightly less silly graphs...

Let the 'whose political system is best' debate begin...



A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 12:12:15 PM EST
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the head of State is Obama
the head of Government is the chairman of Goldman Sachs

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 12:17:03 PM EST
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So, the US is a financial oligarchy with a popularly-elected figurehead president?

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 12:22:08 PM EST
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thanks, i alwasy wondered who the actual head was. D'ya reckon he's the magi of the Illuminati ? {hides}

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 12:47:59 PM EST
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I don't think the Illuminati are accepting automated trading farms as members just yet.
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 05:19:16 PM EST
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And here I was thinking it was Evan Bayh.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 05:52:56 PM EST
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You've misunderstood.  I meant the title, not the job description  I didn't know there was anyone in Italy called the President.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 12:50:34 PM EST
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In fact there are two people, one of them being Berlusconi.

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 01:12:06 PM EST
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I thought he was PM.  

Migeru, sometimes the more you talk, the more you confuse me.  You can interpret that as a sign of my intellectual short-comings, but I thought you should know.  In case you're under the impression that you're enlightening me.

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.

by poemless on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 01:16:06 PM EST
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In English he's PM. In Italian he's Presidente del Consiglio which means "chairman of the council [of ministers]".

A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 01:18:59 PM EST
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It's the same in German, as well as Hungarian, BTW, with the further complication that in Hungarian, President doesn't have a Latin root:

  • figurehead President: köztársasági elnök (lit. 'Republican President')
  • PM: miniszterelnök (lit. Minister President).


*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 01:49:08 PM EST
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As Mig said, Spain has a King.  I only knew that because I remember him getting really pissed off when HUGO! called the previous Spanish PM a fascist.  The King looked like he was debating whether to walk out or eat him.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 05:56:15 PM EST
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A man of words and not of deeds is like a garden full of weeds; a man of deeds and not of words is like a garden full of turds — Anonymous
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 06:42:52 PM EST
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how can Berlusconi criticize that? But he must clearly see the snub, even if he will most certainly ignore it.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 12:12:19 PM EST
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So I guess B&M won't be guesting with the babes the girls their daughters at his island mansion then ?

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 12:50:30 PM EST
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But they have such even tans....

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 05:56:34 PM EST
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Hm - everyone's making a fuss about Obama's pitting Presidents against PMs, defering to the former.  But maybe it's not poltical machinations.  Maybe he just wants to keep the girls away from those lascivious PMs.  

"Pretending that you already know the answer when you don't is not actually very helpful." ~Migeru.
by poemless on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 06:10:12 PM EST
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Pity that's it too late to test your theory with the previous President and PM of Israel.
by gk (g k quattro due due sette "at" gmail.com) on Wed Jul 8th, 2009 at 06:14:03 PM EST
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