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This does not rely on "total relativity." It relies on being honest with yourself about what can possibly be known and determined from observation and the language of mathematics and what cannot because a concept is too abstract.
I'd argue for a basket of metrics and qualitative measures, personally. Then we can fight over how we prioritise each instead of blindly worshipping GDP.
GDP, however, is one of the most used indicators in political discourse over economic development and trade policy around the world, which has lot more to do with non-economists misusing information than with economists who actually do research and publish academic papers on such topics.
Go talk to a biologist about "selective reporting" in the media vis-a-vis Creationism. Then go talk to the people at the NCSE about it, and they'll give you the definitive counter-crank handbook. They wrote it.
If a handful of geeks running a think tank on a shoestring budget can defeat the most lavishly funded science cranks this side of the Space Shuttle, then surely the economics profession can hardly claim as an excuse that penetrating the mainstream discourse is "too hard."
- Jake If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.
Maybe we should try to get the NCSE involved in Economics... The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.
You and Colman are talking about radically different baskets.
One of the mysteries of the way issues are covered in much of the news media is how certain views get ruled "out of the mainstream" and just don't get covered -- even when many well-informed people hold those views. ... And here's the thing: in this case, there isn't any hidden evidence -- you can't argue that the CIA knows something the rest of us don't. And the voices calling for stronger stimulus are, may I say, sorta kinda respectable -- several Nobelists in the bunch, plus a large fraction of the prominent economists who predicted the housing crash before it happened. But somehow, the pro-stimulus people are unpersons. Who makes these decisions?
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And here's the thing: in this case, there isn't any hidden evidence -- you can't argue that the CIA knows something the rest of us don't. And the voices calling for stronger stimulus are, may I say, sorta kinda respectable -- several Nobelists in the bunch, plus a large fraction of the prominent economists who predicted the housing crash before it happened.
But somehow, the pro-stimulus people are unpersons. Who makes these decisions?
The stronger the critic, however, the less serious they appear. It is a real problem. The peak-to-trough part of the business cycle is an outlier. Carnot would have died laughing.
Firstly, economists don't have any problem at all trying to use subjective intangibles like 'confidence' to quantify economic health. How different is 'confidence' from 'well-being'? The only difference I can see is that one is used regularly in economic reporting, and the other isn't.
Secondly, no one is claiming a need for a metric of happiness. Metrics for social health are hardly obscure or exotic. The science is well established, and it includes objective measures like educational attainment, crime rate, and relative social mobility.
Now, bizarrely, these are sometimes quoted in political reporting, but they are never quoted in economic reporting. Effectively mainstream economics does not believe that crime, family breakdown, or stress-related mental illness as economic issues - except to the extent that they influence GDP.
So 'total relativism' remains - on the side of economists, and not so much on the side of people who would like to see objective reporting of social health replacing silly and meaningless numbers like GDP as primary social aims.
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