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Ad 5: You're talking about the IC4 debacle. IC3 have been running well and fine for the next best thing to ten years by now.

A bunch of mayors along the current Copenhagen-Ringsted line have been running around trying to toss a spanner in the works of this routing, by the way. They favour a capacity upgrade for the current line, and are busy burning the village to save it.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 at 03:34:11 PM EST
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You're talking about the IC4 debacle

Yes, sorry for the typo. The IC4 deserves another recent newsquote.

Railway Gazette: DSB reaches IC4 settlement with AnsaldoBreda

21 May 2009

DENMARK: A year after issuing an ultimatum to AnsaldoBreda over the protracted delays to the delivery of its IC4 diesel multiple-units, on May 20 state railway DSB announced an agreement to restructure the troubled procurement contract.

The delivery timescale for the 83 IC4 trainsets and 23 IC2 derivatives for regional operation has been extended to 2012, and AnsaldoBreda will compensate DSB for its increased costs. As a stop-gap, DSB is leasing an additional 45 double-deck push-pull coaches, plus an extra three ICE-TD trainsets from DB.

In its May 2008 ultimatum DSB required AnsaldoBreda to deliver 14 IC4 sets by May 2009 for commissioning for single unit operation, plus at least one set approved for coupling to other units. All 15 have now been delivered, and DSB is operating three daily departures with single IC4s on Mondays to Thursdays. The extra set for the coupling tests began running earlier this month, but only has 'qualified' type-approval, and AnsldoBreda has been asked to submit additional documentation to regulatory body Trafikstyrelsen by July 27.

That's a delay of 7 (seven) years for the last unit to be delivered...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Aug 3rd, 2009 at 04:49:25 PM EST
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Yeah well, if you do bizniz with stupid gits like AnsaldoBreda, then you're kinda sorta asking for it.

These are, after all, the same gits that broke CERN.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Aug 4th, 2009 at 01:48:40 AM EST
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Ah, I was not aware of the Ansaldo Components involvement with those magnets...

In the case of AnsaldoBreda, beyond production quality and management issues, the failure to deliver the IC4 had an extra reason: a case of cascading problems. The theory is that AnsaldoBreda gave priority to another customer and another troubled product: the E.403 locomotives for state railways FS (last I heard, those are still not operational).

But, to not let up Danish authorities: their error was to go with the cheapest offer... an error amazingly repeated by the Dutch-Belgian high speed consortium.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Aug 4th, 2009 at 03:57:35 AM EST
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Ansaldo-Breda screwed up the Gothenburg tram order too IIRC... Eternal delays, and really bad quality when they arrived. Still, they do make world class naval guns.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Tue Aug 4th, 2009 at 04:23:39 AM EST
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Word class by what measure? Any practical applications in the last half century? ;-)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Aug 4th, 2009 at 06:06:49 AM EST
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I was of course thinking of the War Nerd's classic U Sank My Carrier! (and its follow-ups Take America's Navy Battle Group...Please! and This Is How the Carriers Will Die); though you may think of smaller calibre.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Aug 4th, 2009 at 06:25:26 AM EST
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Mixed it up with the famous Otobreda gun, made by Oto Melara.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.
by Starvid on Tue Aug 4th, 2009 at 07:01:33 AM EST
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