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How much support did they get from their fellow economists? Or rather, how many economists were content to let them be seen as doom merchants, or politically motivated, or fringe?
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 at 07:20:28 AM EST
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What, so you agree that "nobody could foresee...?"

We know it could be foreseen because it was foreseen by economists (not just by bloggers), who did voice their concerns about the global imbalances. Even Greenspan talked about "irrational exuberance" in the 1990's. Krugman thought the depression woud hit after the .com crash. And so on.

The fact is that these warnings were not heeded, not even by the people with the power to do anything about it (such as Greenspan ca. 2003).

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 at 07:41:05 AM EST
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FRB: Speech, Greenspan -- Central banking in a democratic society -- December 5, 1996
Clearly, sustained low inflation implies less uncertainty about the future, and lower risk premiums imply higher prices of stocks and other earning assets. We can see that in the inverse relationship exhibited by price/earnings ratios and the rate of inflation in the past. But how do we know when irrational exuberance has unduly escalated asset values, which then become subject to unexpected and prolonged contractions as they have in Japan over the past decade? And how do we factor that assessment into monetary policy? We as central bankers need not be concerned if a collapsing financial asset bubble does not threaten to impair the real economy, its production, jobs, and price stability. Indeed, the sharp stock market break of 1987 had few negative consequences for the economy. But we should not underestimate or become complacent about the complexity of the interactions of asset markets and the economy. Thus, evaluating shifts in balance sheets generally, and in asset prices particularly, must be an integral part of the development of monetary policy.


En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 at 07:47:41 AM EST
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Of course I don't agree that "nobody could foresee...". But that line was only made possible because economists - in general - did not shout and wave their arms about the danger. Any economist should have been capable of reading the global-imbalances-writing on the wall. How seriously did they decide to speak out, to work together to get the message across?

As I suggested to Melanchthon, most were content to leave those who did speak out to carry on as voices in the wilderness.

(PS Greenspan doesn't count as one who "spoke out" ;)).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 at 08:10:44 AM EST
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If you mean that the economists as a body/institution did not play the role they should have played, then I totally agree. I think it's me that coined the name "Sacred Congregation for the Propagation the Economic Faith" or "Holy Economics Office", meaning that most so-called "economists" were mere catechists/preachers, not scientists.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 at 08:25:45 AM EST
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how many economists were content to let them be seen as doom merchants, or politically motivated, or fringe?
Not many. On this we agree. But it's another thing to say:
there were no audible warnings before we hit the wall.
Unless you're saying none of them was "audible".

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 at 08:17:17 AM EST
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My point up there at the beginning was about the way a narrative was being presented about the years preceding the breakdown. Audible, in the sense that enough people could hear loud enough to start taking notice, no, there was not much. Audible neither in the MSM, nor the business and financial media. Those who spoke out were easily marginalised, which means that the majority of economists did not accept their views as serious, or at least were not willing to join their voices in warning. If enough of them had done so... it still might not have changed the face of things, but today we could fairly say "the economists did try to warn us".
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 at 04:36:23 PM EST
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I agree. The question then is: how come the economists who foresaw it did not succeed in being heard, despite the fact that some of them were well-known and had media access? It is a multidimensional problem: political, economic, sociological, psychological and cultural. I pointed to that in this comment. It would require a whole diary.

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 at 05:19:58 PM EST
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The real problem is that those who sounded warning still subscribed to the panglossian view that the market is the best of all possible worlds, even if it is out of balance.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Sep 22nd, 2009 at 05:32:14 PM EST
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Which, in a sense, is why the technical concerns they raised did not have the full value of warnings.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 at 11:16:53 AM EST
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