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Based on the above numbers, let's close, hypothetically, half the mines. 7000 miners are sent home, and receive unemployment benefits henceforth. The governments also cuts 50% of the subsidies, meaning 300 million.

300 million spread over 7000 people would give an unemployment benefit a little shy of 3600 euro per month.

I'd wager to guess that's unusual for an unemployment benefit.

Let's make it twice the minimum wage = 1250 per month. Then, costs for the state would be €105 million. Left: €195 million to spent on transition and other affairs.

Last year, the platinum companies in South Africa cut some 30.000+ people. The gold industry cut another 20.000+. Which is truly horrendous, because there is hardly any social safety net in SA. But the point is: firing up to 10.000 people is nothing unusual in mining industry. For Spain, there doesn't need to be any drama, as far as I can see. And shutting down the mines would be for the benefit of everyone, including the environment.

Am I missing something?

by Nomad on Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 at 07:39:46 AM EST
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Nomad:
Let's make it twice the minimum wage = 1250 per month.
Reportedly the mean wage in Spain in 2007 was about €20k, but the median wage was €14,500, below €1250 per month. It would probably be politically difficult to justify such a subsidy. However, I don't know how that compares to a miner's typical salary.
Am I missing something?
Not that I can see, except that possibly
€195 million to [be] spent on transition and other affairs.
probably wouldn't eliminate the need for people to move away from the areas in question since there isn't enough of a local economy to replace coal export income.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 at 09:23:28 AM EST
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is not enough to realise attractive subsidies for relocation? There aren't any unsold houses in Spain any more?

By not undertaking action, I will rate Zapatero's government as incompetent as the previous 25+ years of post-Franco government that kept on stimulating unprofitable mining.

by Nomad on Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 at 09:39:34 AM EST
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You will notice that this coal mining issue blew up in ZP's face in the first month of his first term in office, back in 2004. 5 years later, here we are.

Just like his finance minister Solbes saying in January 2006 that the real-estate development economic model was unsustainable and the boom years needed to be used to lay the groundwork for a change in model. 3 years later he left the government and the change of economic model is beginning to be talked about.

The same level of incompetence as Blair's government which came to power in 1997 and was caught by surprise when Scotland's North-sea gas production peaked. You would have thought 5-year projections should be the bread and butter of government. And you would be wrong.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 at 09:49:45 AM EST
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Migeru:
came to power in 1997 and was caught by surprise when Scotland's North-sea gas production peaked
in 2002, that is.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 at 09:59:13 AM EST
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Well, you can develop the local economy around new economic sectors. Bilbao was quite successful in regenerating the city's economy after the closure of the blast furnaces (Altos Hornos de Viscaya).

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 at 09:45:04 AM EST
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There are four things you can do in inland Asturias: cows, coal, tourism and wind farms.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 at 09:55:28 AM EST
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So remove coal and combine the three others:
cow winds farms
cow tourism
tourists winds farms
...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 at 10:06:25 AM EST
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The inland wind turbine test site in Grevenbroich is built on a ridge of tailings from one of Germany's largest open mines.

"Life shrinks or expands in proportion to one's courage." - Anaïs Nin
by Crazy Horse on Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 at 10:24:20 AM EST
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Life really can make one giggle.

Never underestimate their intelligence, always underestimate their knowledge.

Frank Delaney ~ Ireland

by siegestate (siegestate or beyondwarispeace.com) on Wed Sep 23rd, 2009 at 02:48:04 PM EST
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