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Is it fear of a CDU/FDP Government that is driving the SPD rally and the CDU decline?  My sense is that many/most Germans don't like fixing things that are not broken and would have been quite happy for the Grand Coalition to continue.  With the drive for breaking up that coalition coming from the CDU rather than the SPD, it is the CDU which is being punished for this more radical stance - allied to a fear that the CDU/FDP would break up social protections at the very time when most people need them most.  

To what extent will differential turnout be a factor?  Is the left or the right more motivated to turn out?  It seems centre lefty voters have more choices than those on the right.  Will the far right also bleed votes from the CDU/CSU, votes which, ultimately won't lead to parliamentary representation and thus lesson any overhang effect?

What seems remarkable about these elections is the relative stability and lack of personal animosity at a time of crisis.  Germany has come of age?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 08:03:14 AM EST
Is it fear of a CDU/FDP Government that is driving the SPD rally and the CDU decline?

I think that it's largely an artifice of the previously high number of undecided voters, but also caused to some extent Steinmeier's superior performance in the head to head television debate.
To what extent will differential turnout be a factor?  Is the left or the right more motivated to turn out?

We'll have to see on election day. My guess is that turnout will be relatively high, and that this will boost the share for the SPD and the Left Party and depress the share of the FDP and the Greens relative to the latest polls.
What seems remarkable about these elections is the relative stability and lack of personal animosity at a time of crisis. Germany has come of age?

Germany has come of age a long time ago. Still, I doubt that an overarching sense of responsibility that restrains the scope of contention in politics is necessarily a sign of political maturity.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 08:42:37 AM EST
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I think that it's largely an artifice of the previously high number of undecided voters, but also caused to some extent Steinmeier's superior performance in the head to head television debate.

I'm assuming some of it has to do with the tradition of undecideds breaking a little more against the incumbent, too.

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 08:52:44 AM EST
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Could be, although Steinmeier is also an incumbent.

My idea on this is that it's the base. The CDU base is fairly loyal and if they break, they should first break to the FDP. Although the SPD has been running a fairly centrist campaign. The main base for the FDP and Greens, meanwhile, is rich and/or educated. These people make up their minds sooner.

The main base for the SPD has been less motivated to actually vote, which depressed their numbers in the European Parliament elections, but they should turn up for the federal elections. Additionally, the electoral system with a first vote for a direct candidate and a second vote for a party list should drive more votes towards the SPD, as they bring the only credible candidates to oppose the CDU in a lot of districts.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 09:02:48 AM EST
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nanne:
The CDU base is fairly loyal and if they break, they should first break to the FDP.

Is there not still a strong Catholic/Protestant split between (especially older) CDU/FDP voters which reduces cross-overs despite ideological similarities especially on economic policy?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 09:18:09 AM EST
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Maybe in the South. Methinks by and large however, a Catholic/Protestant split is more between the CSU and the CDU...

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by DoDo on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 12:26:55 PM EST
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You may have more up to date info, but in my parents time the FDP was the protestant party and the CDU/CSU both catholic.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 01:59:16 PM EST
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Thinking about it, I am definitely referencing recent times (and less recent times in Hessen): the North German CDU was not as powerful as it is today before they took the North from the SPD and Merkel took over the party, and Catholics extend up to the Ruhr Area.

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by DoDo on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 02:12:35 PM EST
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Oh, and even Christian Wulff is Catholic? For some reason I thought he is Protestant.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 02:20:13 PM EST
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Protestants used to vote for the SPD in majority, not the FDP, and it seems that they still do.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 02:52:09 PM EST
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The FDP is a much smaller party - and so has less voters - but are they proportionately more Protestant than the SPD?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 10:57:06 AM EST
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A lack of contention can also be a sign of bourgeois self-satisfaction, stasis, and a lack of vibrancy in society as a whole.  However, in this context I was referring more to the ability of the political system to deal with an economic crisis without an extreme lurch to the right a la Weimar.  There is plenty of contention in US politics, for example, but not much of it seems to provide evidence of maturity - see birthers, deathers, creationist, climate change deniers, and those looking forward to creating Armageddon...

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 09:23:15 AM EST
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SPD rally and the CDU decline?

I think this was overblown in the media: there was equal or more movement within the camps rather than across them. You should also consider tactical voting: a vote for the FDP could also be a conservative's a vote for a CDU-FDP coalition, and a vote for the SPD could also be a desperate commie's vote against the FDP in government. (How the former could backfire, was highlighted by nanne in the diary; I note this also led to a mini-war between the CDU and the FDP on first vote recommendations.)

My sense is that many/most Germans don't like fixing things that are not broken and would have been quite happy for the Grand Coalition to continue.

In coalition preference polls, the CDU/CSU+FDP came out on top (though still well below 50%), and the Grand Coalition only second. I suspect SPD voters are the only group favouring a continuation by a majority.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 12:36:23 PM EST
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What seems remarkable about these elections is the relative stability and lack of personal animosity at a time of crisis.

Lack of personal animosity? Well, maybe not between the heads of the main parties (who are suspected to secretly hope for continuing the Grand Coalition, whatever their public declarations to the opposite). But there was reportedly [sadly I missed it] lively discussion in the TV debate between the leaders of the three smaller parties; and environment minister Sigmar Gabriel (SPD) fought his lone war, too.

And then there is the far-right NPD who mailed letters to politicians with foreign descent telling them to emigrate.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Sep 26th, 2009 at 12:39:53 PM EST
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