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What do you think of its planned re-replacement, the reconstruction of the Prussian-era City Palace?

I think it was monolythic and ugly, too -- no need to rebuild THAT. It would be funnier if they'd rebuilt it in an earlier form...



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by DoDo on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 07:14:26 AM EST
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The palace may be a typical Prussian-era building, but so are the surrounding buildings on the Museumsinsel, on Unter den Linden, as well as the Dom. So recreating the older castle, even if it is far prettier, would be an anachronism.

In that sense I favour the reconstruction. Berlin has enough diversity in its architecture and the Schloss should provide a somewhat coherent frontier between the Alexanderplatz/Fernsehturm area and the old Prussian centre of Unter den Linden up to the Friedrichstraße and the Gendarmenmarkt.

But I care more about finishing the U5 than any of this.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 07:51:27 AM EST
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OTOH, it sends... mixed signals, shall we say, to reconstruct an Imperial-era building in the centre of Berlin. It strikes me as being vaguely similar to reconstructing the East India House in London.

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 08:30:45 AM EST
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The history of Germany (and Berlin) is not as continuous as the British. The memories of Communism and Nazism are more prominent than those of the Prussian Kingdom and then German empire.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 08:57:24 AM EST
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The palace may be a typical Prussian-era building

To emphasize, I don't have a problem with Prussian-era architectural style per se, even if I am aware of the politico-cultural trench warfare behind the reconstruction. But this one building... just strikes me as ugly. Bad ratios, little detail, and it's one big block.

anachronism.

Well, it wasn't a serious proposal :-) But, if the architect is gifted enough, an anachronism can fit in -- see the Reichstag dome.

BTW, I remember, but couldn't find an on-line trace of, a study a few years ago saying that the palace would block air movements and car-polluted air would get stuck -- do you recall anything?

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by DoDo on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 11:03:18 AM EST
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BTW, I realise that it may not be immediately clear that on that photo from Wikipedia, the building with pillars on the canal shore is not part of the palace: it is the Kaiser Wilhelm National Monument. It was a thoroughly imperialistic and pretentious monument, but, IMO it's good architecture, unlike the palace behind it.

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by DoDo on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 11:19:03 AM EST
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Never heard about the blocked air movements. I can't imagine it, looking at the map. In my experience, most of the traffic is on the Spandauer Str. and the Mühlendamm.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 12:01:54 PM EST
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Hm, looking at the map, it would block Northwest-Southeast air movements along the Breite Straße and West-East ones along Rathausstraße, so both could be affected, as well as Karl-Liebknecht-Straße. I don't know what's the locally predominant wind direction.

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by DoDo on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 12:55:49 PM EST
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The air quality also depends upon the amount of traffic, and the traffic mainly goes between the Grunerstraße and the Leipziger Straße and the Spandauer Straße and the Karl-Liebknecht-Straße towards the east - there isn't enough traffic elsewhere to cause serious air quality problems, I think.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 01:58:09 PM EST
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The old 19th century castle is very beautiful, and rebuilding it is a great idea. It's not like we don't need stimulus projects, and Peak Architecture was reached about 150 years ago... ;)

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by Starvid (arvid.hallen at gmail.com) on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 09:25:04 AM EST
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You think THAT's beautiful? The one on the B&W photo?... Tastes differ :-)

BTW, apart from the dome, the palace on the B&W photo is start-of-18th-century. And it looks this Spartan because of austerity measures at the time of construction :-)

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by DoDo on Sun Sep 27th, 2009 at 11:09:05 AM EST
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