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I just posted a comment re the StopBlair petition on Quatremer's blog.

Given the way they failed to oppose Barroso, I doubt the European Socialists will do anything against Tony Blair, they will probably be happy to have Steinmeier as a Minister of Foreign Affairs.

BTW, I don't think Merkel sees Blair as a socialist (neither do I),

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 03:38:42 AM EST
Who thinks Westerwelle is going to allow Steinmeier to compete with him on Foreign Policy from Brussels?

If Merkel manages to get Steinmeier the job without jeopardising her coalition government with the FDP she'll have proven she's a consummate politician.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 03:52:41 AM EST
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To be honest, I think Merkel can eat Westerwelle for breakfast. No match for her. It's more interesting what strings Genscher will pull from the background.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 04:47:43 PM EST
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On a procedural point, the Foreign Ministers, who previously attended European Council meetings with their heads of government, will no longer do so under Lisbon (too many people round the table).
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 1st, 2009 at 02:22:20 AM EST
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Blair is, on paper, a socialist, like Steinmeïer. And conservatives may well want at least two out of the three top jobs. They currently have one.

Also, the question is less what the European Socialists would do, or not do, against Blair (this isn't the Barroso EP vote), but the attitude of different countries to the presidency of the European Council and the type of candidate for it: big or small country, grandstander or efficient worker?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 04:08:47 AM EST
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Tony Blair is perfect for Serious People: he's Serious himself (ie rightwing) but he's officially a lefty, which makes it damn convenient when you need to say things like "the left also supports xx or yy" or "there's a diversity of political forces represented here and who support xx" or, conversely, you need to criticize his policies - they"re "leftwing."

Just like the bank bailout (nationalizing the losses, but not the banks) is labelled "socialism" to make it look consensual, to steal arguments from the left, and blame the left for the mess that will remain.

That tour de passe-passe (trick) is one of the wickedest things the right (helped by the ThirdWayers) has done to the left in a long while.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 04:10:09 AM EST
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The left did it to themselves, in a (successful) attempt to remain "electable".

I wonder where we would be today if the left hadn't been implementing the neoliberal economic consensus while in power for the past 15 years.

Possibly they would have won fewer elections (at least the left political parties believe this) but they would now be wiping the floor with the economic right in elections.

As it is, they have no credibility to challenge the economic consensus.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 04:25:43 AM EST
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and he ran policies that were much less neoliberal than elsewhere (and worked).

And he lost because too much of the left still found that to be too centrist, with the results we know.

So this is not a black and white debate either.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 05:11:44 AM EST
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And because the French election system is seriously lousy ; and because Jospin dropped the gun in allowing the presidential elections to come before the legislative elections...

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 05:27:40 AM EST
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(And also he didn't try to get through any kind of proportional representation in the legislative assembly, which would have meant the many French left parties would have had another means of existence beyond the presidential election)

Un roi sans divertissement est un homme plein de misères
by linca (antonin POINT lucas AROBASE gmail.com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 05:29:39 AM EST
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Don't rub salt in our collective wounds...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet
by Melanchthon on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 05:40:50 AM EST
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And also was a lousy electoral politician who thought people made up their minds on substance (and in the second round, where he was bound to be present, so it wasn't worth working hard on the first).
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 05:46:53 AM EST
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He lost much more for the reasons linca and I give, imo.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 05:48:19 AM EST
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with the reasons you state, but my point was that there WAS an exemple of the reasonably traditional left winning and then pursuing reasonably left-of-center policies that actually worked.

Of course, he (and his government) was demonized for it- witness the 35-hour week deluge of propaganda, or the "France is declining" meme.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 06:59:04 AM EST
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That reminds me.

Has there been any analyses of which party groups voted for and which voted against Barroso (and which split their votes)?

I am considering changing my signature but I need more data.

A vote for PES is a vote for EPP! A vote for EPP is a vote for PES! Support the coalition, vote EPP-PES in 2009!

by A swedish kind of death on Wed Sep 30th, 2009 at 06:26:17 AM EST
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