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Obama: 'We want our money back - every single dime' - Business News, Business - The Independent

Barack Obama channelled popular anger against Wall Street bonuses yesterday as he announced a $117bn (£72bn) tax on the finance industry.

The levy will hit about 50 institutions and be spread out over at least the next 10 years, with bigger and riskier institutions forced to pay the most, something that the President said would help to change behaviour and prevent a repeat of the credit crisis.

"My commitment is to recover every single dime the American people are owed," Mr Obama declared. "And my determination to achieve this goal is only heightened when I see reports of massive profits and obscene bonuses at the very firms who owe their continued existence to the American people."

Ratcheting up the rhetoric against Wall Street, the President said that executives opposed to the tax were using "twisted logic" and he demanded that banks dip into their bonus pools for employees to pay the levy instead of "sticking it" to shareholders and customers.



*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 02:37:04 PM EST
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Well, fake populism still beats the uncensored hostility of that previous guy.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 06:23:40 PM EST
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Not really.  At least with the previous guy we knew who the enemy was.  Obama is able to convince people that things will get better when in fact the patient is still dying.  Not good.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 05:43:48 AM EST
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Really?  You're seriously saying Bush was better because he was a blatant "enemy?"  

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 06:03:00 AM EST
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I'm not saying "Bush" was better ... I'm saying that at least with Bush people with at least half a brain and not super-rich knew that we were screwed and we wanted ... catch this ... CHANGE.  With Obama a lot of people are asleep, especially the blacks, because they got one of their own in the WH regardless of the results.  Now we're screwed and we think that's OK.

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 06:07:04 AM EST
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Wow.  Just... wow.  

I have to disagree with... well, with just about everything you just wrote, plus the mindset that exists to create those sentences, plus the underlying assumptions they're based on and, probably, I also disagree in ways that I haven't even contemplated yet.  My mind is literally boggling at all the ways, and the depth to which, I disagree.  

In fact, I'm having trouble formulating a response, never mind one that conforms to ET's standards of civility.  Plus, it's hellish late/early here (as you're well aware)... I'll need to sleep on this, but... really?  I mean.. REALLY?!?!?  

Sorry, I'll have to revert to 'wow' again...

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 06:26:09 AM EST
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Hey, it's why I'm here.  Get back to me when you can.

Question: Are you in Sacramento CA?


In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.

by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 06:30:10 AM EST
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No, I'm in LA -- I was just there dealing with some medical issues my parents have/were having.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 06:33:11 AM EST
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Ah, OK.  Let me know the next time you're in town.  It'll give you a chance to tell me what an idiot I am in person. :)

In the end, might makes right. Nothing has changed since the caveman.
by THE Twank (yatta blah blah @ blah.com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 06:40:07 AM EST
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Paleofascists in Spain sometimes say life was better with Franco. Progressives sometimes joke life was better against Franco

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 06:23:12 AM EST
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i heard the banks mostly had paid back their debts, with interest, but the profits were so good they get to do the bonuses anyway.

apparently most of the unpaid money is from GM and other businesses who haven't turned a profit from their bailout $.

hard to know what to believe.

there is a feeling of watching him slamming the barn door after the horse has bolted though.

has he calculated he can win 2012 without the big corporations backing him, or will he keep enough onside, while throwing a minimum few under the bus to look good?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 07:15:31 PM EST
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The Fed's Zero Interest-Rate Policy, ZIP for short, combined with traditional lax regulation, has or is resuscitating the Banks. They have sufficient revenue to meet all current obligations, although questions remain as to how solvent any of them would be in the face of a genuine accounting of assets and liabilities. Meanwhile, for individual investors it is either take unknown risks or get ZIP.

The losses are on bad assets that the Fed, Freddie and Fanny have either guaranteed or assumed. The $130 billion that is being discussed is for AIG and the automakers. The true losses could be half a trillion or more, so far.

The banks would do well to scream in agony, give every appearance of fighting Obama's bank tax to the death, while carefully making certain that it passes. If that is the worst that happens, they will have gotten off cheap and can keep keeping on, while the rest of us get ZIP. Kabuki theater for public consumption.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 12:15:17 AM EST
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they weren't kidding, calling it ZIP, were they?

all for us, zip for you!

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 09:23:20 AM EST
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JPMorgan bows to pressure over pay

JPMorgan Chase on Friday bowed to the public pressure to rein in bankers' pay, cutting the portion of revenues earmarked for compensation in an effort to defuse political outrage and spread the pain of the UK bonus tax among employees.

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A day after President Barack Obama slammed the "obscene" bonuses , JPMorgan said it had set aside 33 per cent of its investment banking revenues for compensation, almost half the 2008 figure and below its 44 per cent historical average.

Executives said the lower compensation figures were a direct result of the barrage of criticism over bankers' pay and the need to spread the cost of the UK bonus tax among its global staff.

"In this environment, if you don't show discipline on pay, someone is going to do it for you," an insider said.

So bankers are a little bit scared of politicians. Time to ante up the pressure.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 09:19:42 AM EST
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