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French Gov Seeks Investors for Areva


The source close to the deal said there were strong disagreements between the potential bidders and the French state on the valuation of Areva.

"They are having a hard time valuing the company (Areva) and coming to an accord with the bidders over price. The assets are incredibly difficult to value," the source said.

He said the nuclear reactor building arm of Areva had produced little or no profits while uranium enrichment and waste treatment were "indecently" profitable.



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by Crazy Horse on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 04:51:43 AM EST
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nuclear reactors are a loss-leader for their real business... and seen as such internally, from a strategic perspective. The biggest issue is perception management - €2 billion cost overruns and a couple years delay on the EPR in Finland looks bad, but is irrelevant in the long run, especially as it is the very first unit of that series, where you inevitably discover all sorts of issues which are ironed out and solved the next time round.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 06:09:39 AM EST
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At least that's what they hope. But I hear the second EPR in France got similar issues, while those at the Finnish one aren't completely solved.

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by DoDo on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 06:40:33 AM EST
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I add that part of the cost overruns in Finland are for extra required systems added later, those costs will be added to that of new EPRs, too.

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by DoDo on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 06:42:00 AM EST
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A lot of the Finland issues are linked to the difficulty of the regulatory process: this was a first for the Finnish regulatory authority, and they were probably more punctilious than Areva expected. Don't forget also that Areva bid low to wind this crucial contract (the first in the Western world in a long time).

I hear that EDF is hoping to complete its EPR before the Finnish one...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 07:40:48 AM EST
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The site under construction (Dec 2007)

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by Sven Triloqvist on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 08:10:50 AM EST
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they were probably more punctilious than Areva expected

Like, having to re-do some shoddily poured concrete and misplaced piping?... If I want to be fair, the inexperience factor is more because the current workers had no opportunity to having turned experienced workers on earlier nuclewr constructions.

BTW, an article linked earlier on ET was this one.

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by DoDo on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 09:35:46 AM EST
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BTW, it's nnot just Finnish authorities.

FT.com / Companies / Utilities - Countries question Areva's reactor design

Nuclear safety authorities in three countries have raised questions over the design of control and command systems in Areva's new generation EPR reactor, the latest in a series of blows to hit the flagship of France's international nuclear ambitions.

Authorities in France, Finland and the UK have asked for changes to ensure greater independence of the reactor's safety systems from control operations. "The EPR design, as originally proposed by the licensees and the manufacturer, Areva, doesn't comply with the independence principle, as there is a very high degree of complex interconnectivity between the control and safety systems," they said in a statement.



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by DoDo on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 10:05:25 AM EST
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that was a failry minor comment that was blown out of proportion, simply because it is made public, like all French nuclear incidents, on the French nuclear watchdog website.

The watchdog itself intervened to say that the interpretation made in the media of this announcement was widely off the mark.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 12:08:55 PM EST
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I don't doubt the nuclear watchdog felt the need to (or was forced to) play down the issue, but explain why it is a "fairly minor comment". The failure to follow the independence principle means that a small incident can break down safety and control systems meant to prevent a bigger incident (which, I note, was a point raised by EPR critics in the early 2000s already, in addition to the criticism of the core catcher concept) -- that is not a minor issue whichever way I look at it.

The Finnish authority also sought to play down the issue when an identical note was leaked. The also similar British criticism however IIRC was not a leak.

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by DoDo on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 03:47:45 PM EST
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PlPlant delays and overspend harm the cause of nuclear cheerleaders | Business | guardian.co.uk

Meanwhile at an investors' day in Paris, EDF said the EPR which is being built in Flamanville would cost €4bn (£3.47bn) at 2008 prices instead of €3.3bn .

"This update takes into account increase in prices and the effects of some contractual indexes due to higher raw material costs and the impact of technical and regulatory evolutions," explained EDF.

One may celebrate that the cost increase so far is less than at Olkiluoto 3 (where it essentially doubled to €5 billion), but even the €3.3 billion was already well above the Olkiluoto 3 offer price, so it's not just the prototype that gets more expensive.

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by DoDo on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 10:14:52 AM EST
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given what the economic crisis has done to the prices on steel, concrete and construction labour, the price of a plant started now should be somewhat lower.

Mostly the problem is, however, a supply chain that is not remotely sized to service demand for current nuclear build, and is laughably inadequate for either projected or nessesary build. The world needs a lot more Japan Steel sized forges.

by Thomas on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 11:05:15 AM EST
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for all your contributions to this thread/debate. I hope you stick around!

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 12:09:57 PM EST
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given what the economic crisis has done to the prices on steel, concrete and construction labour, the price of a plant started now should be somewhat lower.

Mmmph, I think the construction of a nuclear plant typically spans a business cycle. At any rate, the nicely worded factor of "the impact of technical and regulatory evolutions" will remain wheneverand wherever a third EPR is started.

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by DoDo on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 03:52:11 PM EST
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