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the euro is strengthening again against the dollar, where is the evidence it will be the 'world's weakest currency'?

many would like it to be, for various reasons, certainly, but where is the evidence the USA is going to suddenly retool for major industrial exports in the near future. GM?

even such a low dollar has only mildly tweaked up exports, many still think the dollar overpriced, so this crystal ball gazing at the euro moving from the strongest to the weakest seems over-pessimistic (if a strong euro suits you, obviously.)

i'm sure the euro has some severe trials ahead, but this prognostication smells like fishful winking.

ireland will be a drag on the euro until policies improve, just as latvia, greece, portugal and the rest of the usual suspects, (though i don't see italy on the basket-case list as much as i would have expected.)

but the main axis countries will provide the muscle to drag along the economically weaker countries, they knew that would happen, and exchanged that for easier access to juicy new markets ripe for investment, croatia et al.

ireland and iceland are extreme cases only because of the depth of their commitment to bubblicious casino capitalism, based on creative accounting, rather than creating something real that people could actually use to get richer with, and not just in virtual zeros. england would already have suffered the same fate, were it not bigger and still having some vestiges of its once great industrial machine functioning and as yet not totally globalised out of existence... going fast though...

as for italy, i suspect they're in just as deep doodoo, but have tighter lockdown on the facts, government transparency here being a pravda style fiction, and cosy crony-covening to ring-fence the goodies at the top, the norm. the recent events at rosarno are more indicative of how much of the italian economy is funny money controlled by very unfunny people, and built on illegal immigrant slave labour, and how thin the membrane between biz as usual, and street violence a la Twank.

could be wrong, but i think there's a bunch less of that in ice- or ire-land, though england has its chinese winklepicker issues. is that true, or is some of ireland's wealth built on sweatshops?

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 09:14:41 AM EST
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Ireland has a pretty good industrial base and an improving infrastructure.  The problems were largely created by profligate government spending with poor management and no cost control, poor fiscal policies and non-existent regulatory ones.  

Many of these issues are being tackled and I would expect a turnaround to sustainable growth (though not on the Celtic Tiger model) within the next 2 years.  That's poor consolation to those on the dole or in negative equity, but at least there is a basis for real economic growth in the future.  

A lot obviously depends on how the global economy and the rest of the EU performs.  I would expect the UK decline (and £ devaluation) to be a continuing problem for us.  

Overall, Ireland is too small to have much impact on the performance of the Euro, but we do need the EU, post Lisbon, to get its act together.  We are poorly positioned if, as I expect, the current global recover turns out to be something of an illusion and a longer term recession takes hold in all but China and a few resource intensive countries.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 10:37:15 AM EST
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but where is the evidence the USA is going to suddenly retool for major industrial exports in the near future. GM?

You'd better believe.  Damned furreners and your gay man-steps.

Howie Long and Chevy judge you, melo!

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by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 11:33:05 AM EST
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The Ford Focus has been a best selling car in Europe for 12 years.  You guys finally catching on?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 12:55:47 PM EST
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Yeah, I mentioned it the other day.  The have the Focus here already, but it's a much different (and totally fugly) design.  The one they're putting out next year is supposed to be the same as the one they sell in Yurp (and it's really nice-looking).

Plus, it's apparently going to be built in Detroit at an old SUV plant.  Can't beat that, right?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 04:32:54 PM EST
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I've never driven a focus, but it has a very good reputation.  Only problem is that, by the best European and Japanese standards, Ford cars aren't particularly economical.  Even a good turbodiesel would be a huge improvement.  Most new European cars are diesels these days and there is no comparison in terms of performance/economy.  A 2 litre diesel BMW 5 series is even more economical than a Prius, and there is no comparison in terms of room, comfort and performance (and price, unfortunately).

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 05:16:49 PM EST
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I've never seen what a 5 series costs in Europe, but in the states there'd be no real comparison on room (although the Focus is a compact, the Beamer is a pretty large car), comfort and performance.  However, the BMW wouldn't be as well produced, would cost more in gasoline, and would cost a fortune to repair when something inevitably went wrong.  (BMW is known to stand for "Break My Wallet" among Americans.)  I've never been terribly impressed with German cars for that reason.

But, assuming away the affordability and frustration issues, the 5 series is a nicer car on day-to-day driving.

Cadillacs and Lincolns would be the more apt comparisons with BMWs and Mercedes.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 06:59:34 PM EST
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...adding: Not that I've ever actually owned a German car, obviously.  That's just my experience listening to friends and family who have.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 07:01:33 PM EST
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I was just using the comparison to illustrate how much more economical good turbodiesels are when compared to petrol - and the fact that petrol electric hybrids are not anywhere near as efficient as a good turbodiesel.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 07:17:30 PM EST
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That's very true.  Unfortunately, from what I can gather, we seem to have a really dumb regulatory regime here that prevents good turbodiesels.  The only car I'm aware of that uses one in a VW.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 08:33:48 PM EST
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regulatory regime?  what's that all about?  I thought diesels were unpopular in the US because they were associated with old loud dirty slow engines that were the norm 25 years ago.

The VW 2.0 Litre turbo diesel which you can get in the Golf or Passat is supposed to be v. good too.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 08:39:29 PM EST
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The VW sounds okay.  Both the Golf and Jetta have TDI models.  Pretty expensive, though.  Twenty three grand is well into Mini Cooper niche/boutique territory for what isn't really a niche/boutique brand.  And you'd need to save a lot of gas to make up for the five grand difference in price between the TDI and the gasoline models.

Regulatory: As I understand it (as always, I may be wrong), we don't have diesels due to the way diesel emissions are regulated in the US.

Can't see it being because of old associations with the engines.  At least not beyond pushing the cars for a couple years until people see that they're not all those things anymore.

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin

by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 08:47:12 PM EST
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ASAIK diesels are also cleaner than petrol engines - certainly in terms of CO2 emissions.  There is no technical justification for the 5K price differential.  Diesels are only marginally more expensive to produce than petrol engines when produced in large volumes.  It must be the low volumes sold in the US that creates the differential - that plus VW making money where they can.  German manufacturers are not noted for price discounting to gain market share.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 08:57:21 PM EST
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I drove a VW diesel for 5 years, Compared to a Ford Petrol of roughly the same capacity, it worked out on Fuel that we were saving roughly £40 per week, the only thing that worked out worse was that like all deisels it was expensive in front tyres with the heavier engine.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Thu Jan 14th, 2010 at 10:13:15 PM EST
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That was probably the old 1.9L diesel which had good low end torque but v. average diesel economy.  The much newer 2.0 Litre is supposed to be a big improvement in refinement, economy, and performance - but I have never driven it.

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 07:38:31 AM EST
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Jesus, how many miles were you driving per week?

Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers. - George Carlin
by Drew J Jones (myfriends@thisispancakes.com) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 07:45:29 AM EST
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About 270 miles a week

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 09:34:31 AM EST
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The story goes that US particulate emission standards regulate European diesels out of the market.

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 03:57:34 AM EST
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Sounds conceivable. Do they apply the same emission standards to large trucks?  How come VW has Diesels on the market then?  Perhaps it also depends on how "clean" the base diesel is at the retail level.  Are there different refining standards?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 07:36:00 AM EST
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More room in the big truck for the bolt on scrubber or whatever it is - but if its a sideswipe protectionist measure that better explains how it got through in the first place.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 08:02:07 PM EST
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... tightening of refining standard for diesel fuel in the last few years, which is a reason why diesel prices started to really pick up steam before gasoline in the 06/07 period - don't know if that was up to Euro standards or up from Euro standard.

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 08:05:21 PM EST
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You don't have VW in the US?

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 03:51:06 AM EST
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do you think it might have something to do with the quality of the macadam?

granted, the distances are another dimension entirely, but i wonder if that's why american suspensions, even in luxury cars, seem suspended in sponge, compared to the equivalent euro guzzler.

i also remember the astonishing number of dead (especially truck) tire shells littering the sides of highways in the USA, something which is rare over here.

~"When an inner situation is not made conscious, it appears outside as fate." Karl Jung~

by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 10:27:30 AM EST
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You see tire shreds on roads here pretty often too. Possibly it's a difference in clean-up policy. It would take an awfully long time before the authorities here would get around to collecting them if they weren't causing a hazard.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 10:38:05 AM EST
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A lot of those are retreads, which tend to blow with higher frequency - don't know if youse Yuros permit retreads.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Jan 15th, 2010 at 08:03:05 PM EST
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