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It there anything especially surprising for ET readers? The stuff in the EN version of the conclusions just confirmed what I'd expect.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 at 08:40:31 AM EST
Maybe that such a result came out of an investigation called for by the PM at the time. Then again, his hand may have been forced by his current coalition partner, and it seems the spin is to deflect blame to the then foreign minister. (And be loud about lack of evidence for participation in the initial invasion.)

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by DoDo on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 at 09:26:21 AM EST
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Oh, I don't mean to be dismissive, I'm just want to know what I should be looking at! Invasion illegal, shocking. Intelligence services ignored in favour of UK/UK spin, shocking, and so on.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 at 09:37:41 AM EST
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Hm? I didn't mean to counter dismissiveness, in fact my look for the domestic political dimension can be seen as cynical... also, I am curious what Oui thinks of Balkenende's personal responsibility, given his earlier expressed positive views of him.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 at 09:53:26 AM EST
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Jan Peter Balkenende may have had plenty of political sores, when it is a matter of war (life and death), he is wholly responsible as are all members of his Cabinet. Does Dutch parliament find Jaap de Hoop Scheffer at fault for withholding information leading up to the bombing and invasion of Iraq? Yes, I consider Balkenende equally responsible and should go. The choice between an illegal war (100,000 Iraqis killed) and the political death of a Prime Minister isn't too difficult IMHO.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 at 10:27:17 AM EST
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Would this impending report have been one of the reasons Balkenende didn't get the President of the European Council job?

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by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 at 11:53:32 AM EST
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by Oui on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 at 12:03:23 PM EST
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It's almost entirely Butler redux, if my memory serves me right of that investigation, including slobbering poodlehood to the USA.

What strikes me as relatively embarrassing is that the two Dutch secret services did in fact take the "sexed up" reports from their sister-organisations MI5 and the CIA with a grain of salt - and the Dutch reports were then consistently ignored by their own government, who preferred the Anglo-version a lot more.

A lot of this can be put on De Hoop Scheffer, though, and less on Balkenende - who comes off as incompetent, at best.

by Nomad on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 at 09:33:51 AM EST
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Do you mean that De Hoop Scheffer can be faulted for consciously bending the intelligence, while Balkenede went along just out of stupidity? I'm not sure which is more damning for a politician.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 at 09:55:18 AM EST
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In early 2003, it looks like he had his hands full. He was inexperienced as prime-minister, already caretaker of his imploded first government (the disastrous 80-something days with the Pim Fortuyn party LPF) and Balkenende was heavily involved with the formation of the successor government at the time. After I wrote the above, I saw that similar argumentation also have been noted by the committee.

But when the question is the invasion of a foreign country, I find the absence of his involvement rather dubious.

De Hoop Scheffer, plus his Atlantacist staff at the department of Foreign Affairs, are sketched as the main architects of the policy of the Dutch government, without prominent involvement of other cabinet members. Balkenende gave De Hoop Scheffer free rein. When he set out the course, everyone fell in line behind him without much questioning, and facts were bend to fit the picture - similar as to what happened in the USA and UK.

What still might be explosive is to what regard Balkenende mis-informed Parliament.

by Nomad on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 at 10:20:46 AM EST
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British investigations on sexing  up intelligence, WMDs an the Iraq War have been a waste of time. The quilty parties were relieved and the journalist, scientist or MP came under attack. In my estimate, this [excellent] report is to the point, factual, makes no political statements and was kept secret till 10 AM this morning. Quite a feat. The Commission clearly focused on the legality of the Iraq War, the U.N. Security Council resolutions and the Goldsmith Legal advice to Tony Blair. The first and foremost conclusion: the invasion of Iraq violates International Law. The goal to establish a democratic, stable and peaceful nation became in reality a nightmare and failure. Last year nearly 5,000 people died in Iraqi violence.

Dutch military intelligence was not solely dependent on sharing intelligence with the major powers, the largest Western nations. The MIVD used open sources to establish facts or likelyhood of WMDs in Iraq. They were more accurate than the bloody British, Americans, French and Italians who used intelligence for political purpose and forged documents. Jaap de Hoop Scheffer based decisions on political matters of the Atlantic alliance and disavowed the findings of his own MIVD. Just in office, it took him 45 minutes in a brain storm session (August 2002) with his top civil servants to write a policy The Netherlands would follow the U.S. and U.K., if needed also in a war because of WMDs.

When the Dutch Forces participated in the U.N. Iraq mission, they refused intelligence of the British and Americans for fear of being set up for an Iraqi ambush. The Dutch wanted to pacify, the Americans wanted to get the Dutch involved in battle and revenge killings. The Dutch province was the first to be handed over to Iraqi Army units.

"But I will not let myself be reduced to silence."

by Oui on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 at 10:17:42 AM EST
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Definitely gratifying, if not too surprising.  It is especially gratifying to see how CDA support for foreign adventurism benefited them domestically and in NATO, even without a large commitment of troops. Same playbook as the USA, different specific application.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Tue Jan 12th, 2010 at 11:37:18 AM EST
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