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As Jerome noted, the Serious People have decided not to like this, which must mean it has some potential.

The Commission's green paper refers a lot to the Resolution of the European Parliament, which you can read here.

The green paper is reasonably readable and not too long. Please reply here for general issues.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 07:26:16 PM EST
Some direct democracy advocates and federalists have drafted their response here.
by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 05:27:11 AM EST
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In Colman's piece there was also a discussion over whether the Commission would be obliged to initiate legislation if it received an admissible citizens' initiative.

As I noted, the test of admissibility is rather expansive. Nonetheless there isn't anything in the treaties that says the Commission would be obliged to adopt an initiative. There is also nothing saying it isn't obliged.

From the wording of the green paper, I'd say the Commission doesn't see itself as obliged to adopt an admisible initiative - it only sees itself as required to give a reasoned response.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 08:53:55 AM EST
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Given that it's not obviously excluded, this is the key topic on which we should push in the short term, and something that could make the whole "public initiative" thing very visible.

Making these binding would force everybody to take notice.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 09:35:12 AM EST
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The Commission won't like anything that interferes with its right of initiative. The only thing in the wording you could take against obliging the Commission is that it says 'invite'. And the right of initiative is only written down in the Treaty on European Union as follows:
Union legislative acts may only be adopted on the basis of a Commission proposal, except
where the Treaties provide otherwise.

There's no clear precedent I can think of...

A text by democracy international (pdf) (google viewer) states the following:

It is imperative that the legal nature of the ECI is initially defined. The ECI allows citizens to ask (or "invite") the Commission to start a legislative process. This wording leaves open the legal nature of the ECI. It has already created some confusion among analysts of ECI regarding the role of the European Commission.

It is quite clear that the ECI is non-binding for the Commission in the sense that it has to submit the ECI proposal unchanged to the Parliament and the Council. This would not be in line with the Commission's monopoly of legislative initiative and the wording of Art. 11 (4). However according to the majority view of European law experts and the "effet utile" of the ECI, it has a binding nature for the Commission in the sense that it has to take some legislative action on the topic proposed by the ECI. The precondition is that the ECI is declared admissible.


The text goes on to draw an analogy to the indirect right of initiative of the European Parliament and the Council under the old EC Treaties, which could be used as precedents for the degree to which the Commission would be restricted.

I agree with pushing for an obligation of the Commission to initiate legislation on the topic of the initiative and in the sense of the initiative.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 10:51:48 AM EST
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It is quite clear that the ECI is non-binding for the Commission in the sense that it has to submit the ECI proposal unchanged to the Parliament and the Council.
The text goes on to draw an analogy to the indirect right of initiative of the European Parliament and the Council under the old EC Treaties, which could be used as precedents for the degree to which the Commission would be restricted.
Precisely

En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 11:05:55 AM EST
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What is a signature? What information will be needed to provide? Can you do it online?

I checked the link:
Texts adopted - Thursday, 7 May 2009 - Implementation of the citizens' initiative - P6_TA-PROV(2009)0389

6.  The second stage of the citizen's initiative covers the collecting of individual statements of support for the successfully registered initiative and official confirmation by the Member States of the result of the collection of individual statements of support. Its main features are as follows:

(a)  The Member States make provision for an effective procedure for the collection of lawful statements of support for a citizens" initiative and for official confirmation of the result of that collection.

(b)  A statement of support is lawful if is declared within the period for collecting statements of support in accordance with the relevant legal provisions of the Member State in question and of EU law. The period for collecting statements of support is one year. It begins on the first day of the third month following the decision on registration of the citizens" initiative.

(c)  All supporting persons must individually state their support, as a rule by means of a personal signature provided in writing or, if appropriate, electronically. The statement must as a minimum show the name, date of birth, home address and nationality of the supporting person. People who have more than one nationality shall indicate only one, which they choose freely.

The personal data is subject to data protection requirements, for which the citizens" initiative's organisers are held accountable.

(d)  Support for a citizens" initiative may be stated only once. Every statement of support contains a separate solemn declaration by the supporting person that they have not previously stated their support for the same citizens" initiative.

(e)  Any statement of support may be withdrawn before the period for the collection of statements of support expires. The supporting statement is then considered not to have been made. The organisers must inform every supporting person of this option. Every statement of support by the supporting person must contain a separate declaration that they have been informed of this option.

(f)  Every supporting person receives a copy of their statement of support from the organisers together with a copy of their solemn declaration and their declaration that they have taken note of the withdrawal option.

(g)  Within two months and after verifying the details of the statements of support, the Member States shall provide the organisers of citizens" initiatives with official confirmation of the number of lawful statements of support, listed by nationality of the supporting persons. They shall take appropriate steps to ensure that every statement of support is confirmed only once by one of the Member States and that multiple confirmations by different Member States or different agencies of the same Member State are effectively prevented.

The personal data is subject to data protection requirements, for which the relevant authorities of the Member States are held accountable.



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by A swedish kind of death on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 09:04:07 AM EST
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The Resolution of the European Parliament from May is an indication of its opinion and thus a resource for the treatment of the Commission's eventual proposal in the European Parliament. The Commission's intentions are set out in the green paper.

Signatures are dealt with under (5). General information is in part dealt with under the requirements for transparency, in part in the requirements for wording. The registration would be online (the Commission proposes as much). Online signatures are a question the Commission also poses.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 10:01:56 AM EST
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Viviane Reding, today:
Citizens' initiative

Jacek Protasiewicz (EPP, PL) asked Ms Reding how she intends to make the new right of citizens' initiative work. She replied that the conditions under which this initiative can operate would first have to be "clarified". For example, a citizens' initiative to introduce the death penalty would be precluded, because it would run counter to EU values.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 02:40:08 PM EST
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The ECI seems quite analagous to a Private Members Bill in many parliaments.  These Bills are rarely adopted by Governments, but must be discussed and may be adopted in some modified form.  PMBs do not take away the general right of a Government to initiate action, but do provide a mechanism for independent initiatives which the Government/parliament must consider and vote on if only do vote down.

The minimum Commission response to an ECI should therefore be a formal discussion, vote and decision to reject/amend/adopt and with a reasoned opinion as to why it was accepted/amended/rejected.  E.g. a proposal to outlaw abortion is rejected because it is incompatible with the Charter for Fundamental rights section xyz.

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 06:06:15 PM EST
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