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Do you consider that 0.2% of the total population of each Member State is an appropriate threshold?

If not, do you have other proposals in this regard in order to achieve the aim of ensuring that a citizens' initiative is genuinely representative of a Union interest?

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sat Jan 16th, 2010 at 07:30:46 PM EST
This is a matter where we can see if there are some nice formulae to ensure that there is decent representation.

The Commission notes that the current number of EU citizens is just below 500 million, and that accordingly, a 0.2% threshold would be the proportional number per Member State.

I basically would not have a huge problem with a requirement of 1/3rd of the Member States and 0.2% of the population per Member State, since at that level it would be practically difficult for a single Member State to dominate the list of signatories.

Alternatively, though, we can see that the largest current Member State, Germany, has about 1/6th of the population. So I could also see a requirement of 0.1% per Member State coupled to a requirement that no single Member State provides more than, say, 1/5th (20%) of the signatories required for the threshold.

by nanne (zwaerdenmaecker@gmail.com) on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 05:47:53 AM EST
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0.2% of the population in at least 9 States still sounds like a lot. I'd be ore inclined to have a combined requirement such as
  1. at least 1,000 people (or a proportional threshold) from at least 2/3s of EU countries
  2. at least 0.2% from at least 5 countries
  3. no country representing more than 25-30% [use number equal to double Germany's proportion of the population of the EU]


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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 09:38:57 AM EST
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at least 9 States still sounds like a lot

Out of 27? I don't think so. 5 states, that could be blocks like Baltics + Poland + Romania, or BeNeLux + FrancoGerman alliance, or an Ireland + UK + Netherlands + Denmark + Poland Atlanticist axis.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 01:43:53 PM EST
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Definitely against. An initiative could be killed in a single country where the organisers don't have the infrastructure. If there shall be national thresholds in addition to an EU-wide threshold (which does make sense, so that the large countries can't force an intitiative on their own), then in some qualified majority way.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 01:40:04 PM EST
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Ooops, forget that -- I went across the questions in the opposite order... so 9 states with at least 0.2% of the population, that sounds right.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 01:46:35 PM EST
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Just to complicate the issue: What happens if several different organisations in "a significant number" of different member states start gathering sigs for an against a particular proposition - e.g. a carbon tax.

Are sigs collected by different organisations additive?  Do all of the organisations pro/anti have to be campaigning on an identical and detailed carbon tax proposal?

How are opposing ECIs on the same issues reconciled?  Does one automatically cancel out another?  E.g. If ECIs in all fishing nations propose mandatory minimum fishing quotas, and all non fishing members oppose minimum fish quotas?  Or Catholic countries support ECI's against abortion and protestant/secular countries oppose?

notes from no w here

by Frank Schnittger (mail Frankschnittger at hot dotty communists) on Sun Jan 17th, 2010 at 06:17:21 PM EST
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