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Take one example PPIP at $1T.

The PPIP, if you can remember, is the US government's plan to provide liquidity for banks' toxic assets -- distressed RMBS and the like -- by encouraging firms (via a subsidy) to buy the stuff. When the plan was first announced in March, the Treasury said the programme could end up purchasing $1,000bn worth of toxic assets. That projection has since been downgraded to about $40bn for various reasons, one of which is the supposedly improving economy.
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2009/11/09/82201/ppiped/

I dunno, to me there is a big difference between $40B and $1T, but it might be chump change to you.

by rootless2 on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 02:04:31 PM EST
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Look. PPIP is an acronymn of the Public-Private Investment Program established by the US Treasury that constitutes special purpose investment vehicles (SIVs)  -- that is OFF-BOOK ACCOUNTING by all parties concerned -- in purchase of US Treasury collateralized debt obligations (CDOs) held by the FRB, whereby the US Treasury shares payment of asking price (mark-to-market or mark-to-model who the fuck knows SINCE FRB WILL NOT DISCLOSE modeling DCF and flows etc) with private investor funds of such securities ("toxic assets") in proportion 80:20, respectively.

In short, the scheme does not necessarily remediate US Treasury exposure to underlying asset default or UST beta -- Rather, and evidently, US Treasury committed and tendered RFO 180% the cost of capital to dilute 20% of the risk of selected collateral.

Now. FTalpha's so-called downgrade of total possible US Treasury exposure admits nothing but "for various reasons" PWG intentions to retreat from front-running open market vulture funds' trading volume. What remains is the illiquid book value of US Treasury assets, i.e. what has not been either accounted, sold, or extinguished. Accordingly, FTalpha/Mother Jones "narrative" is $1T upper limit, $40B is lower limit of SECURITIES AVAILABLE FOR SALE.

That's a balance sheet item, dude.

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by Cat on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 03:54:24 PM EST
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PPIP is not established to purchase assets held by FRB.
There's no balance sheet item. PPIP was designed to purchase assets held by banks. Until those assets are transferred to the PPIP funds, they are not on the books.
by rootless2 on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 08:43:51 PM EST
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EESA authorize great discretion to the Secretary in disposition of system assets. Banks' toxic assets constitute collateral at discount window and securities available for sale if not obligated. There's  hot US Treasury warrants. There's also the toxic Maiden Lane portfolios I, II, III.

Statement by Timothy F. Geithner before the Senate Banking Committee, May 20, 2009

FRB: H.4.1, 21 Jan 2010

Related news:

Toxic Asset Mountain
Toxic-Asset Plan to Start in Six Weeks

Geithner Calls for `Very Substantial' Change
Dear Timmy
Banks Aiming to Play Both Sides of Coin
Bailout pledges reduced to $11.6trn

etc etc

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 02:05:36 AM EST
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Yeah yeah, but none of that addresses the point. PPIP is a specific program with specific operation and specific federal exposure. The document you post claims $1T as the exposure. In practice, the exposure is well under $40B (if you bothered to find out about specific transactions you'd see that). So the claim that there is a $1T bottom line exposure is wrong. All that crap about Maiden lane etc is distraction. You post a link claiming among other things that PPIP is a $1T subsidy, I point out that it is really less than 1/20th of that and you post a bunch of irrelevancies.
by rootless2 on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 11:52:12 AM EST
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what the exposure is.

To explain how the PPIP works,the FT had a really good little video back when Geithner's Treasury came up with it.

I think you may be confusing the upfront matching equity contribution the Federal gov't has put up (roughly 30bn to date) with the FDIC and Treasury financing of the purchasers of the assets being bought.

If those toxic assets turn out to be worth far less than the bidders have paid for them, the debt issued by the FDIC and the Treasury will likely be worth far less than par, and the US taxpayer will be on the hook, and for far more than the 30 bn. The real exposure is potentially up to the amount of the Federal outlays for upfront equity contributions (never authorized to be more than 75 bn if I am not mistaken) as well as the loans made by the FDIC and the Treasury (implying Fed guarantees, of course) for the purchase of the assets by private investors (the total of which was not to exceed $1tn.)

Of course, no one knows how much exposure there is, because Treasury is not giving any data out, which is a big complaint folks have about this (not the only one, but a big one). But, it is more than 30bn, and likely numbers in the hundreds of billions (though again, nobody really knows, probably not Geithner either though I bet he's very worried about it..)

At this point, with housing prices (an underlying for much of the toxic assets) resuming their downward slide, it's probable the exposure is heading up. But it is probably less than the 14 trillion in toto than the informative Mother Jones graph was indicating. And if Mother Jones is too lefty for you, you might consider what Bloomberg was saying right around the same time - nearly 13 trillion.

The latest figure I've seen in the Financial press was from Bloomberg in the $11-$12 trillion range. And, a bipartisan watchdog group headed by former congressmen Stenholm (D-TX) Penny (D-MN) and Frenzel (R-MN) is indicating a similar figure of $11.7 billion...and note, if you look at the table here, you are talking about "spent amounts" while Cat is talking about "Max" amount...i.e., how bad thing can get is the assets the Feds are on the hook for do not improve in value.  

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by redstar on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 03:55:04 PM EST
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well Barofsky said many trillion, so it's not a lefty/righty thing, it's an accuracy thing. PPIP did not work as the alarmists forecast it would work - treasury has put in a lot less.  And total exposure is BS anyways, the scenarios in which Treasury is responsible for trillions all involve total economic collapse in which treasury exposure is a minor detail.
by rootless2 on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 05:40:37 PM EST
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We shall see.

As you have said elsewhere, it depends on the US economic situation which is of course up in the air.

I do, for my family, feel relatively safer where I sit today (France)  than where I sat three years ago (the US) but, that's just a personal judgment, I guess.


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by redstar on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 06:05:11 PM EST
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I would think that the point here is that the 30 bn are the minimum, and the 13 tn are the maximum. Hell, let's take an order of magnitude off of that maximum, on account of sloppy accounting from the alarmists. Make it a round 1 tn as a maximum.

It will probably land somewhere in between, though precisely where is impossible to forecast with any degree of precision.

You are right, of course, that in the event of a total collapse, the fact that the Treasury is on the hook for a trillion North American Pesos won't matter. But there's quite a broad range there. An order of magnitude and a half, in fact. So there's plenty of room for it to go plenty wrong even if the real economy only collapses a little bit.

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 09:16:05 PM EST
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No. The numbers are quite clear. On the PPIP, Treasury forecast up to $1T but has actually committed under $40B. You can't round that up. This is my complaint against the MJ article and all the people who decided Bush appointee Barofky was the word of God. The PPIP exposure is in the tens of billions. Let's get some reality principle going here.
by rootless2 on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 10:57:00 PM EST
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And does that include contingent liabilities and counterparty risk?

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Jan 26th, 2010 at 08:54:20 AM EST
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As far as I can tell, yes.
by rootless2 on Tue Jan 26th, 2010 at 09:21:37 AM EST
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Thank you for elaborating the description of exposure, upper and lower boundaries of so-called purchase power. Adding the visual aid was intended only to illustrate or organize flow of funds through all of the facilities created by bank regulators under EESA to create credit and manage liquidity.

To this I will add: PPIP not only established equity fund managers (plus investor loss guarantees), it established the Legacy Loan program administered by FDIC to dispose of receivership assets ("structured loan sales" plus investor loss guarantees).

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by Cat on Tue Jan 26th, 2010 at 05:07:38 AM EST
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