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what the exposure is.

To explain how the PPIP works,the FT had a really good little video back when Geithner's Treasury came up with it.

I think you may be confusing the upfront matching equity contribution the Federal gov't has put up (roughly 30bn to date) with the FDIC and Treasury financing of the purchasers of the assets being bought.

If those toxic assets turn out to be worth far less than the bidders have paid for them, the debt issued by the FDIC and the Treasury will likely be worth far less than par, and the US taxpayer will be on the hook, and for far more than the 30 bn. The real exposure is potentially up to the amount of the Federal outlays for upfront equity contributions (never authorized to be more than 75 bn if I am not mistaken) as well as the loans made by the FDIC and the Treasury (implying Fed guarantees, of course) for the purchase of the assets by private investors (the total of which was not to exceed $1tn.)

Of course, no one knows how much exposure there is, because Treasury is not giving any data out, which is a big complaint folks have about this (not the only one, but a big one). But, it is more than 30bn, and likely numbers in the hundreds of billions (though again, nobody really knows, probably not Geithner either though I bet he's very worried about it..)

At this point, with housing prices (an underlying for much of the toxic assets) resuming their downward slide, it's probable the exposure is heading up. But it is probably less than the 14 trillion in toto than the informative Mother Jones graph was indicating. And if Mother Jones is too lefty for you, you might consider what Bloomberg was saying right around the same time - nearly 13 trillion.

The latest figure I've seen in the Financial press was from Bloomberg in the $11-$12 trillion range. And, a bipartisan watchdog group headed by former congressmen Stenholm (D-TX) Penny (D-MN) and Frenzel (R-MN) is indicating a similar figure of $11.7 billion...and note, if you look at the table here, you are talking about "spent amounts" while Cat is talking about "Max" amount...i.e., how bad thing can get is the assets the Feds are on the hook for do not improve in value.  

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by redstar on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 03:55:04 PM EST
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well Barofsky said many trillion, so it's not a lefty/righty thing, it's an accuracy thing. PPIP did not work as the alarmists forecast it would work - treasury has put in a lot less.  And total exposure is BS anyways, the scenarios in which Treasury is responsible for trillions all involve total economic collapse in which treasury exposure is a minor detail.
by rootless2 on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 05:40:37 PM EST
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We shall see.

As you have said elsewhere, it depends on the US economic situation which is of course up in the air.

I do, for my family, feel relatively safer where I sit today (France)  than where I sat three years ago (the US) but, that's just a personal judgment, I guess.


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by redstar on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 06:05:11 PM EST
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I would think that the point here is that the 30 bn are the minimum, and the 13 tn are the maximum. Hell, let's take an order of magnitude off of that maximum, on account of sloppy accounting from the alarmists. Make it a round 1 tn as a maximum.

It will probably land somewhere in between, though precisely where is impossible to forecast with any degree of precision.

You are right, of course, that in the event of a total collapse, the fact that the Treasury is on the hook for a trillion North American Pesos won't matter. But there's quite a broad range there. An order of magnitude and a half, in fact. So there's plenty of room for it to go plenty wrong even if the real economy only collapses a little bit.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 09:16:05 PM EST
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No. The numbers are quite clear. On the PPIP, Treasury forecast up to $1T but has actually committed under $40B. You can't round that up. This is my complaint against the MJ article and all the people who decided Bush appointee Barofky was the word of God. The PPIP exposure is in the tens of billions. Let's get some reality principle going here.
by rootless2 on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 10:57:00 PM EST
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And does that include contingent liabilities and counterparty risk?

- Jake

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by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Tue Jan 26th, 2010 at 08:54:20 AM EST
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As far as I can tell, yes.
by rootless2 on Tue Jan 26th, 2010 at 09:21:37 AM EST
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Thank you for elaborating the description of exposure, upper and lower boundaries of so-called purchase power. Adding the visual aid was intended only to illustrate or organize flow of funds through all of the facilities created by bank regulators under EESA to create credit and manage liquidity.

To this I will add: PPIP not only established equity fund managers (plus investor loss guarantees), it established the Legacy Loan program administered by FDIC to dispose of receivership assets ("structured loan sales" plus investor loss guarantees).

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Tue Jan 26th, 2010 at 05:07:38 AM EST
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