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The theory that Obama has no substance is a Luntz generated attack. I am very much against these emotional/code-word attacks on even weak allies when it is possible to disagree strongly with the Obama team without reinforcing right wing propaganda and essentially letting the right/corporations off the hook. Obama has proposed a relatively strong consumer protection agency, a bank tax, and other reforms that have, so far, been stymied in Congress. To react to that by ignoring the exercise of bank power in the Congress and demeaning the administration seems dumb tactically to me. It's one thing to argue that the US banks need to be regulated and removed from control of the government, and it's something else to assert that Obama is an empty suit - a narrative generated by the right and spread by the tame media.
by rootless2 on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 03:46:53 PM EST
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We are looking at the same events and seeing different things. Had Obama exercised effective leadership, instead of having programs stymied in congress they would have been passed. But then their flaws and loopholes would become obvious.  Everything he has done in financial regulation in '09 was neutered from the start and then left to die of exposure. He fought for nothing. For whatever reason doesn't matter.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 04:17:42 PM EST
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Obama's bank tax proposal is new, as is his new "tough talk" about Wall Street.  Talk and proposals are cheap. I'll wait for results, thank you. But what would have been a slam dunk a year ago will be a very difficult fight today--one I don't expect him to win. But I do expect a spectacle.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 04:28:41 PM EST
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My initial point is that for those interested in "action", Obama has not only managed to recover most of the Tarp funds sent to the banks, he diverted $50B to a virtuous investment in saving the US auto industry.
by rootless2 on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 07:10:20 PM EST
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People note that he has also sent unprecedented amounts of money towards green energy investment, definitely a good thing. The bitching is that such amounts are but a fraction of what was spent in the bailout/stimulus and, again, the question is whether this was the only way to do good (by hiding it in more BAU) or whether a great opportunity to change things was wasted through incrementalism. There was a window to spend huge amounts of public money - could it have been spent in more useful ways that it was?

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 04:04:43 AM EST
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could it have been spent in more useful ways that it was?

Could it have been used in ways better than committing it to backstopping bogus debt, trading cash for trash, stowing financial embarrasments in "facilities" such as Maiden Lane I,II and III and propping up the very institutions that are sucking the life out of the US economy? Gee, dunno. Hard question. Just how will those "investments" compare to building a high voltage transmission grid to enable wind power to be profitably deployed in front of the front range of the Rockies or electrifying our rail infrastructure and turning it into a high speed infrastructure, etc., etc.?

Yet now we have deficit hawks telling us we cannot make the infrastructure investments or pay for health care reform because of all of the debt we have recently taken on. I recall a diary I wrote on Opportunity Cost. But of course you knew the answer when you asked the question. How can we compare self-liquidating debts to good money sent after bad money?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 10:57:52 PM EST
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vituperative commentary sent in Obama's direction. People are disappointed, often with reason, in some of what his administration has done, so I take it with a grain of salt, that lefties saying such things aren't calculating and anyway no one listens to us so it can't do any harm, right?

The problem for the Obama administration is that, at least as far as confronting the power of the banking and insurance industries which are held in general derision by the American people of all political stripes, he has hamstrung himself with two advisors whose counsel has been politically disastrous to the admin - Timothy Geithner and Larry Summers, two figures whose closeness to those industries is proving far more a liability than the asset I am sure the administration hoped it would be.

Like it or not, the gestalt of the time is that the bankers who'd brought the economy to its knees should in their turn be brought to heel. Now was not the time to put into prominent positions such consistent and long-established Wall Street ass-kissers (thinking especially of Geithner here). People want their pound of flesh, and frankly, with falling wages and nearly 1 in 5 Americans unable to find proper work largely because of these entitled banker millionnaire's handiwork, they deserve it.

My guess, in my belief  that Obama is an intensely intelligent and considered man (the latter unfortunately in these times not necessarily a virtuous quality), one or both (and almost assuredly Geithner)of these advisors will be gone before November. Hopefully, very visibly.  And, it increasingly appears, Bernie Sander's highly virtuous hold on Bernanke's mistaken re-nomination will provoke a rejection of the third bad leg of Obama's economic policy stool...  

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 04:43:45 PM EST
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While I find Larry Summers to be an odious fool, few people seem to have learned that for the last couple of years he has been saying that the major problem with the US economy is wealth inequality.  In any case, I don't think that Summers and Geithner matter as much as some people claim.
by rootless2 on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 07:18:50 PM EST
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may have noticed wealth inequality, but he seems to refuse to acknowledge the link with unrestricted free trade and unrestricted capital movements and lower marginal tax rates.

And he's not trying to do anything to solve the problem.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 04:06:53 AM EST
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...it increasingly appears, Bernie Sander's highly virtuous hold on Bernanke's mistaken re-nomination will provoke a rejection of the third bad leg of Obama's economic policy stool.

Hopefully Obama will be saved despite himself by 41 Senators from both parties and Sanders.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 01:45:40 AM EST
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The theory that Obama has no substance is a Luntz generated attack.

One of the most devastating attacks one can make on an opponent is to point out an ugly truth. If it is true, it is harder to accept and remedy. So be careful of discounting what the opposition has to say about your candidate. But it is doubtful that Obama has NO substance. That doesn't really pass the first glance test. More that he lacks the right stuff, as it were, for the task at hand. When we are being devoured alive by Wall Street, Obama wants us to be civil and respectful. Even that could be OK, if we were also ruthless and effective, but we are not.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 05:21:41 PM EST
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". When we are being devoured alive by Wall Street, Obama wants us to be civil and respectful."

Well, to me, many people "on the left" have a poor grasp on what will appeal to their fellow citizens. I note that Dennis Kucinich who, to me, is a mildly reformist politician, was unable to gain significant support in the Democratic primaries. The right has an easy time stirring up "reactionary populism". That's not the same as left populism, as the Communist Party of Germany found out to its dismay in the 1920s.

by rootless2 on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 07:07:44 PM EST
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I noted that "civil and respectful" could be OK if we were also ruthless and effective. But we are not. That is my complaint. It is great that so many young people came to be involved in the process during '08. It is unfortunate that they preferentially supported a candidate, who despite many attractive qualities, appears to be temperamentally unsuited to what is, in my opinion required. And it is not just my opinion. Simon Johnson and others far more qualified than I have voiced similar criticisms, many of which I have duly posted in the Salon.

I feared that he did not have what it took from the moment he announced. He was my least favorite of all of the Democratic candidates, despite his many attractive qualities. I feared that he did not have the experience or the instincts for the political fight he would have to face in order to do what needed to be done. But I supported him in the general election, have owned up to that support and don't regret it, given the choice.

I hoped for the best through the transition and inauguration and waited with increasing queasiness through the first few months, hoping that he would do what was needed. I finally reached the point of despair last summer, when Chris Cook had to remind me that it is not over, appearances to the contrary from my point of view.

I have yet to see anything to persuade me that breaking the power of Wall Street over Washington was not the most basic challenge by at least an order of magnitude. If that not be accomplished, little else matters, from my point of view.  We are headed over the falls into an ever increasing supranational corporate distopia. I feel especially bad for the younger generations.

Opportunities such as were available to Obama upon his inauguration are once in a century occurrences, from what I have seen in half a century of observation. Given his intelligence, that he did not even want to try to rein in their power at the one time it could have been done is hard to forgive. But were he able to do so now, all would be forgiven and I would happily dine on crow. Come the day.

 

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 10:18:56 PM EST
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You expect an elected moderate to run a revolution from above. Disappointment will be your lot.

And I think Wall Street is irrelevant superstructure.

"He was my least favorite of all of the Democratic candidates, despite his many attractive qualities."

The others would have lost. First requirement of a politician is the ability to take power.

by rootless2 on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 10:38:05 PM EST
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Hillary might have run even stronger, especially after the GFC hit in the fall. Obama was wavering until then and it could be argued that McCain more self-destructed than was knocked out by Obama. Obama just had to look presentable. He didn't even really seize the issue then. But he could and did rely on people projecting their hopes onto him.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 11:12:00 PM EST
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Well, you are a disappointed fan of Hillary Clinton, a woman I first met when she was working for the antilabor law firm in Little Rock.  You and I do not have a common language to discuss politics if you think Hillary Clinton and Mark Penn were a superior alternative to Obama.
by rootless2 on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 11:24:55 PM EST
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"Fan" is your characterization. But I do think she is tougher than he is, and she has been through the fire once on health care and, I believe, would have been more forceful both there and with the banks. I voted for Bill twice, but was not as disgusted with him after '94 as I have been this last several months with Obama. At least under him and without supermajorities the democrats passed tax increases on the rich.  And, honestly, I did not appreciate just what a disaster NAFTA would be. I am no fan of Mark Penn. I do like James Carville. Were there any pro-labor law firms in Arkansas in the '70s?

By the way, my father helped organize and was the first president of a local of the Operating Engineers in the oilfields of northern Oklahoma in the mid '50s. But I left Oklahoma in 1963 and didn't return, even to visit,  until 1991. When I moved to Arkansas in Jan. 2006 I had not been here since 1954, when I visited the homestead and farm where my paternal grandmother had been born and raised in the Boston Mountains in Washington County, western Arkansas. I spent my adult life in Arizona and Los Angeles. Most of the contractors for whom I worked in Los Angeles were union contractors and though engineering was a non-union position, the hourneyman electronics tech set the floor for engineering positions, so I do know something about unions and consider them a great plus, faults notwithstanding.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 02:15:52 AM EST
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There was a pro-labor law firm in Arkansas.
by rootless2 on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 10:23:01 AM EST
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Did it have multiple partners or was it a one man operation?

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 01:44:01 PM EST
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