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What did FDR do in his first month? The main part of the New Deal didn't come in for years.

People forget that Grapes of Wrath was 1939.

by rootless2 on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 10:14:02 PM EST
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  • Audited the banks. For real, not with some transparently phony "stress test." Took a bunch of them into receivership too.

  • Devalued the dollar.

If Obama had done either of those things, he'd be a lot farther on the way to resolving some of the more troublesome structural problems.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 10:33:25 PM EST
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OOOH! He audited the banks! There's a stirring revolutionary accomplishment if I ever heard one. You'd never catch Larry Summers on the barricades like that. No siree!

Arise you prisoners of starvation
arise ye wretched of the earth
it's time to audit the banks

That created a lot of jobs, didn't it? No?

by rootless2 on Sat Jan 23rd, 2010 at 11:20:51 PM EST
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We've updated the lyrics, you know.

Unlike the US national anthem.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 04:37:10 AM EST
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There's a stirring revolutionary accomplishment

No. But the fact that it looks impressive by comparison to the current situation should tell you something.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 06:13:52 AM EST
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OOOH! He audited the banks! There's a stirring revolutionary accomplishment if I ever heard one.

It actually WAS one of FDR's major accomplishments. It restored confidence in the remaining banks and insured that bad debt was written down. On the other hand Bush-Obama have devoted all efforts to hiding the bad debt so that the creditors, who created the GFC, won't have to take the loss. Instead they are fobbing the liability off onto future generations. It is quite possible that this situation will blow up before Nov. '10 and Obama will be saddled with the responsibility. But he appointed those who have fitted him out with the saddle. So we had better pass what we can between now and December and hope that Obama has it in himself to exercise the veto power.

The Federal Reserve System was created in 1913 under Woodrow Wilson as a federally chartered collection of private banks with a public purpose--to deal with problems of recurring financial panics, such as that of 1907 by being able to supply "liquidity" in times of financial stress and to control the interest rates and money supply. It failed in its mandated mission in a spectacular fashion from 1929 to the mid-30s. Were Obama's Administration to have been even so bold as was FDR in auditing the banks and closing those in default, creating the FDIC and SEC, etc. or even being seen as making a serious attempt he, and progressive prospects, would be in much better shape.

Obama's problems do not arise mostly from the Progressive Left, who will at least vote for him in preference to most likely opposition candidates. The arise from the revulsion of the independents and the moderate Democrats against the current situation. This revulsion will be seized by the right wing and ridden to victory unless someone more progressive can make a clear and convincing case as to who will do what and grab control of events.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."

by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 12:34:34 PM EST
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and wouldn't let them re-open until he got legislation regulating them  and insuring their deposits passed. And then, only the sound ones were allowed to re-open. That wasn't in the first year, it was the first day.

Five days later he had the legislation he wanted. But then, FDR was all about action.

He didn't let his Fed Reserve determine policy...back then, the Fed Chief wasn't "independent" (code word for "beholden to monied interests, they understood this back then). It was an exec order which got the US off the gold standard.

On social issues, they almost immediately repealed the bible-thumpers Prohibition laws and got a constitutional amendment to that effect through.

And the aid to rural areas with the farm bill he rammed through was nearly immediate too.

Of course, Obama got elected in the equivalent of 1930, not 1932. But, it will be a measure of his fortitude to see how he responds to the obvious challenges facing him now that the US economic recovery begins to falter and the unemployment rate edges ever upward.

Fai de bèn a Bertrand, te lou rendra en cagant

by redstar on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 06:42:20 AM EST
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FDR's first term is known customarily as the "first new deal".

1933, interregnum or first 100 days

March 9. Emergency Banking Act
March 20. Economy Act
March 31. Civilian Conservation Act
April 19. Abandonment of gold standard via RFC
May 12. Federal Emergency Relief Act
May 12. Agricultural Adjustment Act, inc. Thomas amendment
May 12. Emergency Farm Mortgage Act
May 18. Tennessee Valley Authority Act
May 27. Truth-in-Securities Act, requiring full disclosure in the issue of new securities
June 5. Abrogation of the gold clause in public and private contracts
June 13. Home Owners' Loan Act
June 16. National Inudstrial Recovery Act, inc. $3.3B appropriations for public works program e.g. WPA
June 16. Glass-Steagall Banking Act
June 16. Railroad Coordination Act

Source: Schlesinger Jr, Arthur M., The Coming of the New Deal. 1958. You might want a copy for reference.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 10:43:44 AM EST
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When did the unemployment rate start to drop?
by rootless2 on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 11:27:59 AM EST
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I make a point of reading threads in their entirety, periodically.

citations

One never knows what one could miss, do one?

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 12:37:42 PM EST
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my point exactly. FDR did not fix unemployment in a hurry.
by rootless2 on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 02:27:39 PM EST
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bebe, shuffle that shit on another blog. This is what you claim, "The main part of the New Deal didn't come in for years".

Facts contradict your recollection of fiscal policy ex War Production Board.

whatevs.

Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.

by Cat on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 03:21:02 PM EST
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Sigh. Jobless recovery - sounds familiar?
by rootless2 on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 03:45:36 PM EST
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bebe, shuffle that shit on another blog

there's no need for this sort of confrontational crap, Cat.  He's not 'shuffling shit' or ignoring your facts, he's having a good faith disagreement with your presentation of them and what they mean.  

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jan 24th, 2010 at 06:12:58 PM EST
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He's not 'shuffling shit' or ignoring your facts, he's having a good faith disagreement with your presentation of them and what they mean.

I suspect that more than Cat, myself and Jake have doubts about that.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 12:36:09 PM EST
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Bad faith is always the easiest thing to assume about an opponent.

If you could stick to the arguments that would be nice.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 12:48:44 PM EST
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I try to act on a presumption of good faith, despite doubts, until things become obvious. That also has the beneficial effect of allowing me to re-read things when I am in a different state of mind.

As the Dutch said while fighting the Spanish: "It is not necessary to have hope in order to persevere."
by ARGeezer (ARGeezer a in a circle eurotrib daught com) on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 01:40:02 PM EST
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Yeah, well, next time you decide to make accusations of bad faith, would you be so kind as to leave me out of it?

I'm not seeing any bad faith here. I'm seeing a clash of frames and a marked difference in tactical and perhaps ideological analysis.

- Jake

If you only spend 20 minutes of the rest of your life on economics, go spend them here.

by JakeS (JangoSierra 'at' gmail 'dot' com) on Mon Jan 25th, 2010 at 08:46:54 PM EST
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I have to say that I have encountered this argument from Hillary Clinton supporters surprisingly often.
by rootless2 on Tue Jan 26th, 2010 at 05:11:11 PM EST
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