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Do you mean vote to adopt or vote on whether to adopt?
I mean vote to adopt the conference bill. If either chamber fails to pass the conference bill, the legislation fails enactment. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
No. This is the procedure to reconcile any (subject) related bills introduced in either of the chambers.
This is why I query to what new "Senate bill" Mig believes Pelosi refers. I checked the senate calendar. There were only two actions (votes) all of last week neither of which concern healthcare insurance reform.
Mig: "Because I believe there would be a filibuster in the Senate if the Senate were asked to vote again, even on the bill they already passed."
The Senate has not passed a germane conference bill; neither has the House. The votes AFAIK are not yet scheduled. Each chamber votes independently to pass the same conference bill.
Mig: "(Because as of last Tuesday, they is a different they)."
I do not understand this statement. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
Unless there's a rule everybody else is missing, the House can pass the Senate bill, and send it to Obama's desk. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
Sometimes the chambers effect "reconciliation" prior to conference committee per se, so permiting the House majority leader(s) to evoke a Rules Committee motion adopting a "senate version" as delivered to the House for passage prior to pro forma conference committee deliberation.
emphasis added
Yes, conference is to make the bills identical. Greater than "90%" advertised. You know, all summer the House developed H.R. 3200. This fall Baucus released his outline to Finance Committee, Dingell introduce a conforming H.R. 3962 with first cuts into "public option" provisions. House made further emendments to H.R. 3962 during and after the weeks finance committee hearings were broadcast by CSPAN. By the time Reid began the marathon amendment process, MSM was currying factional acrimony over Hyde Amendment funding prohibition, rather than, say, price discrimination allowed in the Baucus bill but prohibited in the House bill.
Remember "the trigger"?
The Rules Committee could deliver the Baucus bill to the floor for a vote, but Pelosi hasn't support for a legislative dive. Like I said the differences are few but not trivial and bear on restricting Medicaid eligibility, premium subsidy eligibility, tax benefits, and states' establishment of "public option" plans much less committing matching fed funding to expand existing community-rated plans.
Yes, 133% PL more generous than, say, 50% PL Medicaid eligibility in MD for adults. But the Baucus bill minima reams H.R. 3296 financial support for HH incomes greater than that. A whole hell of alot of uninsured people treading the other bottom deciles. Who fights for them? Party leaderships sez no one.
2009-2010 HHS Poverty Guidelines
And when this thing passes "as is", don't expect improvements, corrections, repeals, or finesse anytime soon thereafter.
Obama will ask to freeze a part of govt spending for 3 years beginning in 2011 Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
And if it doesn't pass "as is" expect it not to pass at all, followed by noimprovements, corrections, repeals, or finesse anytime soon thereafter.
So, what would you rather have 15 years from now? The current system, or the Senate Bill?
Oh, by the way, on the no improvements hereafter point... Politico has Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi work to save health care reform
Struggling to salvage health reform, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi have begun considering a list of changes to the Senate bill in hopes of making it acceptable to liberal House members, according to sources familiar with the situation. The changes could be included in separate legislation that, if passed, would pave the way for House approval of the Senate bill -- a move that would preserve President Barack Obama's vision of a sweeping health reform plan. But the move comes with political risk, because it would open Democrats up to charges that they pressed ahead with roughly the same health care bill that voters appeared to reject in the Massachusetts Senate race Tuesday. Republican Scott Brown won on a pledge to try to block Obama-style health reform.
The changes could be included in separate legislation that, if passed, would pave the way for House approval of the Senate bill -- a move that would preserve President Barack Obama's vision of a sweeping health reform plan.
But the move comes with political risk, because it would open Democrats up to charges that they pressed ahead with roughly the same health care bill that voters appeared to reject in the Massachusetts Senate race Tuesday. Republican Scott Brown won on a pledge to try to block Obama-style health reform.
The worrying point is that some parts of the bill only kick in after several years. It might be easier to take away an entitlement that has only been promised, but not actually given.
Sunset clauses mean that the accountants can pretend that some measure will be a temporary rather than recurring expense. (To be fair to Enron, this is not actually Enron accounting - it's WorldCom accounting.)
Gradual kick-ins mean that costs will only come into effect some way through the accountants' ten-year forecasts. Which, of course, permits a politician to say "it will cost only N million per year over the next ten years," when the true story is that "it will cost 0 million per year for the next three years, N million per year for the four years following that, and 2N million per year after that until the heat death of the universe."
Krugman had a nice deconstruction of these mechanics when he critiqued the Bush tax cuts back in 2001, but damned if I can find it.
- Jake Austerity can only be implemented in the shadow of a concentration camp.
Mig: "(Because as of last Tuesday, they is a different they)." I do not understand this statement.
I do not understand this statement.
So, the Senate who would have to pass the conference bill is a different they from the they that passed the Senate Bill even though both theys are the Senate. En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
"Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act" (H.R.3590) "Senate bill" or "Baucus bill" is not the more desirable implementation of the two versions. It is the most parsimonious version under consideration. Not mentioned here is the chambers' different treatments of states' insurance regulation and establishment of state "public option" plans and/or insurance exchanges; as well as insurers' premium constraints and "individual responsibility tax credit" eligibility.
Normally, a conference committee is convened to hammer out a compromise bill. However, it appears that congressional leaders will forego the formal conference procedure to avoid procedural votes that might give opponents of reform an opportunity to further stall reform. Instead, House and Senate leaders will negotiate informally and when a deal is reached, the House will pass the Senate bill with amendments to reflect the compromise, with the Senate following suit
The purported strategic value of the manoever is nonsensical. On one hand, abrogate committee emendments to "avoid procedural votes;" on the other, allow House floor[?] "amendments to reflect the compromise" --normally produced by formal conference-- to assure House passage, then Senate passage, of the not-conference bill. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
Except that it is the only one that may yet pass:
Did you ever ask, What carve-out a la Nelson might the "teabagger from Massachusetts" negotiate? Since all of Congress awaits his arrival.
Also, "Or we could have a conference bill [i.e. committee emendment of two nearly identical bills] and the democrats might try to defeat a filibuster. Or the House could kill the Senate bill and there would be no health reform of any description." is a vintage of ultimatum the Bush congress employed to terrorize representatives and constituents.
It's so nice to hear democrats repeating right-wing talking points. It goes to show constituents' discipline when none is needed to enforce a Democratic Party majority in both chambers that's willing to abandon any "public option" to avoid a filibuster threat during a FY budget season.
Oh wait.
That would be confrontational, no? Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) said Monday that he would oppose any health care reform bill with a national insurance exchange, which he described as a dealbreaker.... Before the Massachusetts election, the White House and Democratic leaders were attempting to negotiate a compromise that could win 60 votes in the Senate. And Nelson could have deprived House Democrats from securing what they have increasingly viewed as a must-have -- a national exchange rather than a series of state exchanges. But for now, Democrats are trying to write a companion bill to the full Senate legislation that would need only 51 votes in the Senate.* Read more...
Before the Massachusetts election, the White House and Democratic leaders were attempting to negotiate a compromise that could win 60 votes in the Senate. And Nelson could have deprived House Democrats from securing what they have increasingly viewed as a must-have -- a national exchange rather than a series of state exchanges.
But for now, Democrats are trying to write a companion bill to the full Senate legislation that would need only 51 votes in the Senate.*
Read more...
Baucus innovation from the alternate universe of not-single-payer financed medical insurance.
--- * ohhh-kaaay, "kill the House Bill" passed as a companion bill to the Senate Bill and block a conference bill of same. Diversity is the key to economic and political evolution.
He'd oppose both. En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
However, in the 3 years since they gained a majority of the House and the year since they gained a majority of the Senate they haven't given me the impression that they're willing to force the Republicans to filibuster. So I'm working with that data point as well. En un viejo país ineficiente, algo así como España entre dos guerras civiles, poseer una casa y poca hacienda y memoria ninguna. -- Gil de Biedma
It would, indeed, be a nonsensical strategy if you were reading something that was up-to-speed with the makeup of the Senate. But that seems to have been written prior to Brown's election. Before Brown, it wasn't nonsensical.
The strategy now is for the House to pass the Senate bill, sending it to Obama, and to amend it via reconciliation. Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
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